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An alert reader might have noted some oddities in Bourke-White's essay. The bomber being refueled was a Superfort, not a B-36, none of which was ever equipped for inflight refueling. She rode in a B-47, its raked tail clearly visible in one photograph. And the accompanying map depicted a Soviet Union surrounded by small bombers based in Alaska, Canada, Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and Japan: the Peacemaker hunkered at home.
But if Superforts were on the Russian border, and if midair refueling allowed them to fly indefinitely, and with the Stratojet coming on line, why bother with the B-36? The jet pods had added so much weight and gobbled so much fuel that the combat radius had dropped first to 3,525 miles, then to 3,110. What was LeMay planning? From Maine, South Dakota, and Washington, the B-36 could barely scratch the edges of the Soviet empire, and even at those bases it faced hard sledding in the winter. At Rapid City, mechanics had to build a repair dock with sliding doors and cutouts for the fuselage so they could work on the engines while the tail stayed out in the snow. There were SAC bases in Alaska and Greenland, but the climate was so forbidding that LeMay never stationed any B-36s there. The Arctic airfields were used as staging points, with the bombers returning to the south 48 after each mission. Another ploy was the shuttle mission, with a takeoff from Fairchild Air Force Base near Spokane, Washington. After bombing Irkutsk, in central Siberia, the bombers would have refueled at Okinawa before returning home.
But to do any real damage, LeMay had to launch it from an overseas base or order a one-way mission. He would have scoffed at this latter-day quarterbacking, of course. "The B-36 was often called an interim bomber," he wrote in his memoir, Mission With LeMay. "For my dough, every bomber which ever has been or ever will be is an interim bomber." He had a point: at the time, SAC even considered the B-52 nothing more than a fill-in for the supersonic B-70.
LeMay may have been loyal to his hardware, but there were signs that General Kenney wasn't alone in his initial doubts about the B-36. One scheme would have equipped it with a pilotless drone to fight off enemy interceptors. Then the Air Force experimented with a manned parasite--the XF-85 Goblin--which would ride to war in a bomb bay. Still later, Republic adapted its F-84 to snuggle into the belly of the beast. By 1953 this last concept had changed from one of defending the B-36 to replacing it: The mother plane would linger offshore while the Thunderjet dashed in to take photographs or drop a bomb.
Finally, in 1955, Convair took a different approach, stripping the mega-bomber to the essentials. Just as LeMay had gambled his B-29s in 1945, sending them low and fast over Tokyo armed only with tail guns, SAC got a "featherweight" B-36 with only two guns, a smaller crew, no stove or other luxuries, and, in the bargain, a longer range. Many of the earlier models were modified to the new standard, especially the reconnaissance versions. Indeed, it's possible that LeMay's fondness for the B-36 may have had less to do with its potential as a bomber than its value as a spyplane. SAC ended up with 369 of the jet-recip hybrids, including modified versions, and more than a third were reconnaissance bombers. The RB-36 could carry an atomic bomb, but its principal weapon was a camera the size of a Geo Metro, set in a photo studio that replaced the forward bomb bay. Loaded with a roll of film 18 inches wide and 1,000 feet long, this great camera once photographed a golf course from 40,000 feet, and in the contact print, on display at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, an actual golf ball can be seen. If an RB-36 could see a golf ball from eight miles up, it could see tanks, airplanes, missiles, and factories. Surely this was the task that LeMay saw for the Peacemaker: With its enormous wings and extra fuel, who knows how high and how far it could fly? B-36 crews speak of 45-hour missions, presumably with fuel cells instead of nukes in the rear bomb bays; at cruise speed, a "featherweight" could travel almost 9,000 miles in that period. The official ceiling was 41,300 feet, but again, crews say that they routinely flew higher than 50,000 feet, and one man--John McCoy, quoted in Thundering Peacemaker--boasted of soaring to 58,000 feet. On missions over China, McCoy said, his RB-36 was chased by MiG fighters that couldn't climb anywhere near it. U.S. fighter pilots of that period also recall B-36s cruising comfortably well above their own maximum altitude. Not until the advent of the "century series" fighters--the F-100 and up--would the B-36 be challenged. Whether the RB-36 ever overflew Russia is anyone's guess, but it was the U.S. altitude and distance champ until the Lockheed U-2 came on line toward the end of the decade.
In the end, the B-36 turned out to be a place holder for the B-52 Stratofortress. Convair attempted to stave off Boeing's intercontinental jet bomber with the YB-60, which premiered as the YB-36G, with eight jets, a five-man crew, completely redesigned swept wings, a speed of 508 mph, and a 2,920-mile combat radius--in short, a knock-off that was inferior in every respect to its competitor. Boeing's bombers had the advantage of having been designed for jet power from the start. The Air Force didn't even bother to supply engines for the second YB-60 prototype.
Though obsolescent, the B-36 still had some momentum. Before descending into retirement, it made its first overseas deployment with a USAF unit in 1955, to Britain and Guam. In the same year, it starred in a Hollywood epic, Strategic Air Command--though in Jimmy Stewart's final scene with Frank Lovejoy, who played the LeMay-like general, a model of an early B-52 can be seen on the general's desk. The B-36 remained in the inventory for four more years, while the new Stratofortress was being tweaked to its full potential.
The B-36 was nowhere near as durable as the B-52 would prove to be, but it did the work asked of it. And eventually, the inter-service rivalry that led to the Congressional eruption over the big bomber's strategic mission died down, with the Navy's missile-submarine fleet garnering a permanent place in the strategic "triad" along with bombers and land-based missiles. Perhaps the best thing that can be said about the Peacemaker is that it lived up to its name. The B-36 never went to war, never dropped a bomb in anger, nor (so far as we know) even fired its cannon at an enemy airplane. Created at a time when the atomic bomb redefined strategic air power and the turbojet redefined performance, its career spanned the crossroads that divided two eras.


Comments
I worked under Jim Little at Ellsworth AFB in 1951 -53 working in engine build-up and tear-down. OJT as engine mechanic out of basic training. I met him at our Airforce Renions at Ellsworth AFB in Rapid City S.D.
Posted by Donald A Guertin on February 21,2009 | 01:14PM
This was an excellent presentation. There is a good bit of information that I have seen here for the first time and significant points that I have never heard expressed in print. General LeMay's contention that the RB-36 would have made a better and more significant recon platform than the "B" model made as a weapons truck. I flew as #1 ECM Officer on the crew we were assembling to crew a new "H" version just in from the factory in Ft. Worth. I think that the B-36 was the "Big-Stick" that kept the Russians on their side of the pond during the Cold War. Their big stick didn't give them the "Feeling" that ours did. I was active duty until about the middle of 1953 and gave it up, having done a year in Berlin (Tempelhof) in the Big One until just before the Air Lift began and college started. I was 1/Lt, in 31st SRSq, 5th Strat Recon Wg (H) at Travis AFB in my B-36 Days. (Posted by Myron J. Sasser)
Posted by Myron J. Sasser P.E. on March 21,2009 | 07:08PM
There was a B-36 "static" on what was, I think, Greater Southwest Airport - the airfield just south of where DFW was being built - in the '70s. It was maintained by retired USAF people. Where did it go?
Posted by Ed Rousselot on March 25,2009 | 06:55AM
IN 1959 I LIVED AT THE AIR FORCE BASE IN TEXAS MY FATHER WAS IN THE AIR FORCE AND HAVE A PICTURE OF ME STANDING IN FRONT OF AIRCRAFT CALLED CX-99 WITH ENGINES IN REAR OF THE PLANE. WAS THAT PLANE LATER CALLED THE B-36?. Editors' reply: We are unaware of any aircraft called the CX-99.
Posted by GARY G. HACKBARTH on April 4,2009 | 01:17PM
Mr. Hackbarth is referring to the XC-99, the one-and-only experimental transport version of the B-36, which sat for years at Kelly Air Force Base. It has been transported to the Air Force Museum, Wright-Patterson AFB for restoration. http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/exhibits/restoration/index.asp EDITORS' REPLY: Thanks for the information.
Posted by Mike Meier on April 6,2009 | 01:47PM
During the early to mid-1950's,when the B-36 was in it's heyday, I lived in the Minneapolis area. The nearest SAC base that had the B-36's was Ellsworth I think. Because the base was several hundred miles away, when the big bombers came over the house, the were at or near full altitude, which made them invisible. However I could see the vapor trail, and hear that unmistakable sound that distinguished the B-36 from all other aircraft. Since they flew rather slow, I had plenty of time to go in the house and get my telescope. I would sweep the sky, pick up the vapor trail and follow it to the plane. At 60x I could see a fair amount of detail though the plane was about 9 miles high! Of course because they flew slow, I had several minutes to enjoy the view. Two questions: 1) Is there any B-36 crew out there who flew missions over the Twin Cities in the 1952-55 time period? If so, I would like to hear from you. 2) Does anyone know if (or when) any of the four surviving B-36's will ever be restored to flying condition? That would be nothing short of awesome!!
Posted by mike dickinson on April 6,2009 | 04:22PM
I remember going to my grandmother's house in San Antonio in the early fifties. Usually I was just bored. However, she lived near Lackland AFB and every now and then a B 36 would take off. I would run outside as fast as I could to try to catch a glimpse of these monsters. The sound of those huge engines roaring was something I have never forgotten, even after fifty-five years. The only sound that could come close was "The Green Monster" an airplane powered dragster of the 50's built and driven by Art Arfons. Long live the B-36!
Posted by gary givens on April 19,2009 | 11:29AM
I think of the B-36 as a flying coffin. The engines were unreliable. What was worse was the gunlaying System made by General Electric. The gunners could not move the guns rapidly (i.e. slew) without blowing the fuses in the electronic control box. Often times we cranked in the turrets by hand because the fuses were blown To keep the Select status and their spot promotions one gunner threw his 20 mm ammunition overboard because his guns would not fire.That way he had the appearance of a good percentage of rounds fired. He came to work the next day with bandages on his frozen fingers from handling the extremely cold ammunition. Gunner 42 Bomb Squadron Carswell AFB
Posted by John Bohney on April 21,2009 | 01:40PM
A superb effort. My AF career started with the advent of the B-47 at nearby Lincoln AFB. Don't remember ever seeing a B36 in flight. My career ended in 1989. Thanks very much. John L Parker
Posted by John L Parker on April 25,2009 | 08:23AM
There is a B-36 on display at the Castle AFB (now a muny field) in Merced Ca. You can walk around and under it looking into the bomb bays.
Posted by van ellis on April 26,2009 | 06:48PM
I was an Acrft.Comdr. in the RB-36 and the B-36 with over 4000 hours I can tell many stories of the MOST over POWERED Aircraft I have ever flown. I will correspond with any one that has a Devoted interest in the History of the BIG BIRD. I can be reached by cell phone 318 347 3231 only serious inquries will be honored.
Posted by JEROME KIMMINAU on April 29,2009 | 05:25PM
Offutt AFB had a B-36 at the museum near the wherry housing area. Does anyone know what happened to it?
Posted by Stephen Anderson on May 1,2009 | 04:15PM
Iflew with Maj.Clarence Lamping out of Ellsworth AFB during the 50's. We crashed one on the runway at Roswell, N.M. on February 18th,1953. The entire crew walked away from it. Amazing!! The following month Col.Richard Ellsworth and his entire crew perished in Newfoundland. I can be reached by cell phone 401-556-8539. Only those who are serious should call me.
Posted by Zacharias P. Rouvelas on May 2,2009 | 08:25AM
agreat american plane I was living in Butte Montana 1953=1956 I use to watch the B-36 fly above and always wanted to be a Air force engineer that worked on those 28 piston engines. They brag about the planes of today and look at the engineering that went into these wonderful air planes i guess i was born too late I just have a love affair with greatest bomber ever made the B-36 love machine..........
Posted by bob goodheart on May 4,2009 | 05:53PM
I am currently working on some material for a book i am planning on publishing regarding the plane crash of Mar.18, 1953 that took the life of Brig. General Richard Ellsworth and his crew. I have noticed that a lot of comments are from crew members that actually flew or worked on those huge planes and it for that reason I would like some first hand information. Any kind of material will be good whether it be a story, stats, maintenance on the plane, gunners and their duties and roles, near misses and possibly some info. on the night of the crash of this plane. Perhaps you may have known someone who had flown over the Atlantic Ocean that very same night that this plane went down; for I believe that there were 18 planes that crossed the same night. Anyone reading this material and would like to share some info. with me it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and hope some of you will respond to keep this story going as a memorial to the people that gave their lives that night. Thank you, Tom
Posted by Tom Drodge on May 11,2009 | 01:44PM
As a young aircraft spotter in England in the 1950's I was lucky to be around when a wing of B36's visited the USAF base at Burtonwood in NW England. They droned around my home town for several hours waiting their turn to land at the base which was one of the busiest in Europe at that time. Later the same year on US Armed Forces Day we kids were allowed to have a close up look at one of the aircraft. We also got to try popcorn and Coca Cola for the first time. Most USAF aircraft transitting from the States to Europe used Burtonwood and I must have seen almost all types in service at one time or another but the B36 was special - a real 'Aluminium Overcast' Another rare bird was a resident WB50 Weather recce plane
Posted by Derek Blay on May 12,2009 | 01:44AM
In regards to the B-36 at Greater Southwest airport, it is now being restored for viewing at the Pima Air Museum in Tucson. There used to be a B-36 that had been cut into sections in the junk yard at NM Tech, in Sorcorro, NM, it was all there except the nose section, which was in Calif. We had the idea, for awhile, of displaying a section of B-36 and B-29 side by side. Sort of the pencil and the beer can. I grew up in Watsonville, Ca, not far from Travis AFB, and used to see/hear the -36's often. I ended up at Little Rock AFB, flying KC-97's, and many of our crew members were ex-B-36 crew, and had some amazing tales about that bird. When I finished basic twin engine school at Reese in B-25's, I satayed there awhile and ferried -25's to the boneyard, and put them into long term storage, while, at the sme time, they were taking the engines and some other stuff out of the incoming -36's, and chopping them up and into the smelters. I always though that there was something wrong with that picture. Also, FYI, the best kept aviation secret in Kentucky is the Aviation Museum in Lexinton at the airport. aviationky.org
Posted by Don Sproule on May 12,2009 | 05:00PM
I was a crew nember on Capt. Lou Mallory crew at Walker AFB in Roswell New Mexico From 1953 until June 11 i955. If any of my old crew is alive and kicking I would like to hear from you. Ralph Johnson
Posted by Ralph c. Johnson on May 16,2009 | 08:40AM
Regarding GARY G. HACKBARTH post... There was an aircraft called the CX-99. My grandfather worked on it in San Diego... Convair in late 1940's. It was in their Experimental Dept., and I'm told it was so large that final assembly had to be performed NOT in the factory.... but outside in the yard behind "Experimental." My grandfather, prior to working on the CX-99, worked in the Wing Department of Convair, and worked on the 240, 340, and 440 airliners. He also spent the better part of a year in Fort Worth, Texas (away from his family) working on the XB-36. So... given your description, and the fact my grandfather worked on both projects with Convair... I'd say it's highly probable that the CX-99 is an experimental commercial airliner version of the B-36 bomber.
Posted by Jim Strachan on May 18,2009 | 11:35AM
The aircraft in question was the XC-99, a cargo version of the B-36. It was a double-deck freighter, that used elevators to lift cargo into the plane. It too had the pusher-type engines, but was never equipped with the additional jet engines. Only one model was produced, and was flown often, and was eventually placed on static display just outside Kelly AFB, Texas. I saw the plane when I was in Basic Training, in 1972. In the 90's, the Air Force re-instated control over the XC-99, had it dis-assembled, and shipped to Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio, for re-build for display in the Air Force Museum, with it's sister aircraft, the B-36. The only unfortunate thing about this is that there is no existing example of a YB-60 to complete the Convair display. If you go to the Air Force Museum web site, you can get detailed information on the B-36, XC-99, and the YB-60, as well as every aircraft, rocket, and missile that the USAF has ever planned and operated.
Posted by John D.C. Bacon on May 21,2009 | 09:57PM
I was at Ft. Bliss, Texas in 1959 and saw the last operational B-36 take off from Biggs AFB and fly south over the Rio Grand. The B-36 made a monsterous noise on take-off and would rattle windows at Ft. Bliss. A few weeks (or months) later I saw the first B-52 fly into Biggs AFB. I remember the XB-52 from a science newspaper when I was in the eighth grade in the fall of 1951 Dal Wolf. Auburn, In.
Posted by Dal Wolf on May 24,2009 | 09:11AM
The first time I ever saw the B-36 was in 1958, I was playing baseball and I looked up and there she was the ground vibrated from those six engines. The sound of that aircraft flying overhead, was something I have never forgot. Watching that B-36 fly over, started my life-long interest in Aviation.
Posted by William D. De Nomie on May 26,2009 | 06:03PM
As a member of USAF Pilot Training class 56-D,I was with i a number of my classmates getting pre flight orienation at Lackland AFB in October 1954. My room mate had a friend or relative,an Air Force Captain from Kelly AFB, who had a position that dealt with the cargo loading of the XC99. The aircraft had two decks and was equipped with an elevator to facilate loading cargo. At that time the air craft was mainly flying between Kelly and Mclelland(sp) AFB in California .We could hear that familiar drone of those six 4360's and several times would see it it flying over our base.WE managed to get a few camera shots of it.As others have commented,it was one of a kind. a very unique and interesting aircraft.
Posted by Richard A Korfhage on May 26,2009 | 06:30PM
Crew chief on the Repuplic RF-84F(S.A.C.) Our aircraft practiced hook-up's with the KRB-36 in 1954/55.
Posted by Herb Hoser on May 31,2009 | 11:44AM
Anyone know about any B36 reconn missions over Soviet territory during 1947 - 1950? Anyone fly on any of these probably still classified missions?
Posted by R.L. Herbst, Jr. on June 1,2009 | 09:33PM
Ladies and Gentlemen Although I am nearly 55years old the last time I saw a B-36 ,in flight was at the airport,also known as lindberg field which back a bit before my time was being made right in my hometown of San Diego,CA. I saw an awesome sight fly right over the house and it was loud and noisy of course I had no idea what this thing was until years later when I saw the 1955 hollywood film with,the late Jimmy Stewart in strategic air command.This is a well documented film of this enourmous bomber the B-36. Our nation needs to bring these old bombers back in flying condition,especially both the B-36 and lets never forget the first jet bomber the B-47.if you gentlemen could persuade the historical aircraft preservation society to get the needed funds for these 2 great bombers then I am throwing in my support too,Just think to see a B36 or even a B 47 flying over san diego california would bring tears to every older pilots eyes that actually flew them and it would draw immense crowds everywhere even at miramar MCAS. So lets aim high and sing the song WILD BLUE YONDER USAF.
Posted by john jusko on June 6,2009 | 02:40PM
Back in 1954 I was a co-navigator on a B-36 assigned to the 95th BW at El Paso Tx [Biggs AFB]. Later I went to pilot training--have my wings and flew for another 16 years in various 2 engine aircraft. To this day I still wear my B-36 base ball cap--I am proud of the memories of the B-36 and the men I flew with. I call MY old home [we flew 24 hour training mossions] the HUMMER.
Posted by Tom Saunderson on June 12,2009 | 11:04AM
My father was an engineer for Convair and was employed at their plant beside Carswell AFB at Fort Worth, TX in the 50's. We lived barely a mile from the runway. I can so well remember the majestic flight of those B-36's. I've always loved planes and aviation, but the memory of that big, beautiful (to me) brute of a bomber overflying us is still my fondest aviation memory.
Posted by Clint Rose on June 21,2009 | 09:02AM
"In regards to the B-36 at Greater Southwest airport, it is now being restored for viewing at the Pima Air Museum in Tucson." < Last summer I drove out there to see it. They had it's wings back on and the jet nacelles were painted and sitting beside it. The reciprocating nacelles were empty, but it was obvious someone there wanted to love it. It was the ship dubbed "The City of Fort Worth," but Fort Worth didn't take very good care of it, and after 50 years of beating it up, the USAF got put out with them and gave it to Pima. I was delighted to see it go, because Lockheed bought the bomber plant and ordered it disassembled and put into storage. It's next stop, for a very long time, appeared to be your local Coors bottler.
Posted by Arnold Ziffel on June 21,2009 | 05:05PM
I was stationed at Kadena Air Base, Okinawa in 1952-53 With the 19th Bomb Group. Just before the end of the Korean War we received thousands of B-36 Mantainance men, parts, engines, and necessary equipment. A few days later the B-36's started arriving to land at Kadena, we were told it was supposed to be all the B-36s that would fly, seemed like hundreds of them. I watched them come in all day long, some with 2 & 3 engines feathered. The crews made needed repairs, got them flight worthy again and one day they took off for a flight over Korea. It was called a "Max Effort Show of force" They were joined by all B-29s we could get in the air. All planes flew over Korea, returned to Okinawa, then went home. I have tried to research this event for some personal facts but have been told by Air Force Archives that the mission did not happen. Anyone out there have any memory of this Event???
Posted by Art Wilson on June 22,2009 | 09:51AM
I grew up in Dallas in the 50s and vividly recall B-36s flying from Carswell AFB over to Love Field to shoot practice instrument approaches (the never landed of course). We lived under the final approach course for runway 13L at Love and when my mother heard the distinctive roar of those R3350s coming she would frantically run around the house and take all the pictures and dishes off the walls because she knew from experience when B-36s flew over it would shake them all loose for a quick drop to the floor! and we were 3-4 miles from the runway! Later, when I went to work flying for a Dallas-based airline, I never tired of hearing the stories of former USAF pilots who flew and crewed B-36s. One chap told me of slimbing out into the wing for a repair at altitude. Then there were the very special times when Dad would announce a trip to Ft. Worth for an airshow or open house at Carswell. I was fortunate to have watched the B-36 give way to the B-58 Hustler - - and the 'official' rainy day ceremony when the B-36s were retired and B-52s took over - - all right there in my backyard at Carswell. Great, great memories. A brisk salute to all were involved with the Peacemaker. Terry Morgan
Posted by Terry Morgan on June 28,2009 | 08:42AM
Whoa! I stand corrected. Not 3350s - - rather 4360s. (see previous) Apologies. Terry Morgan
Posted by Terry Morgan on June 30,2009 | 05:17AM
I was at Ramey AFB when the last RB-36 left - it was my understanding it was the end of the 36 we were the last base to convert to the B-52 - this was 1959
Posted by Ted Sampson on July 2,2009 | 09:16PM
There was an inquiry about the B-36 that used to be at Offutt AFB. I don't know if it's the same plane, but the Strategic Air & Space Museum at Ashland, Nebraska now houses a B-36 among many other aircraft. It's well worth a visit. Alternately, Google up the museum and have a look at their website - the B-36 appears on there.
Posted by Jason Quick on July 14,2009 | 01:15AM
I was an enlisted Tactical Instructor (TI) at Chanute Field in 1962-64 (54 Sqdn). A B-36 was flown in for ground display in either '63 or '64. One night a violent storm caused the aircraft to sit on its tail. Weird sight. Anybody know where that airplane is now? Major W. Tiley, USAF/Ret.
Posted by Bill Tiley on July 14,2009 | 03:42PM
I was a militar dependant at Chanute from 1981-1985 and I used to bike over to the b-36 and flightline to see the aircraft. The B-36 that was at Chanute AFB is number 51-13730, a B-36H and is currently at Castle Air Museum in Atwater California. It is on displayed outside. This aircraft was somwhat different than most as its fuselage was damaged by the storm. As a result the damaged section was removed. The section removed was something like 8 feet lin length.
Posted by Steven Schammel on July 17,2009 | 09:34AM
I grew up near Lambert Field in the north St. Louis suburb of Florissant, MO. Our home was on the extended centerline for Runway 24. My Dad had been a pilot during WW ll and consequently, my two older brothers and I all grew up to be pilots. Even during our childhood days, we knew and loved airplanes! In the late '50's or maybe around 1960, the newspapers said that B-36's were going to stage a series of simulated nuclear attacks on the city of St. Louis over a period of several days. All would be flown in the middle of the night and from 40,000 feet. I will never forget, as a 10 year old, waking up to that deep, low pitched rumble from those 6 R-4360's that vibrated my window panes. I could even feel the incredible low frequency vibrations in my chest! That sound was terrifying and at the same time thrilling. There was some sort of scoring system for the imaginary bombs they dropped for several nights in a row but I don't know the results. I was fortunate to fly radial engine airplanes for 5 years of my 43 year career as a pilot and loved them!! The Pratt & Whitney engines on my Boeing 767 today produce awesome thrust, never fail, don't leak oil and only smoke when started cold, but they don't have the soul and character of a radial engine, especially ones with 28 cylinders! If anyone knows anything about the missions I have spoken about, please call me at 908-730-8521. Joel Turpin, aviation historian
Posted by Joel Turpin on July 17,2009 | 08:17PM
Best article I have read on the B-36, even if it may have showed a slight bias against the bird. I noted only two errors: the reference to "two bomb bays," when there were actually four, with two sets of doors. The other was the remark that the first deployments were made in 1955. They were deployed to places like North Africa from Carswell AFB years before that. I was there 1951-1957, except for an 11-month break in 1954-5 and went TDY to Nouasseur, French Morocco, in 1952 or 1953 (or perhaps both, memory isn't that good), and I am fairly sure that wasn't the first time it was done.
Posted by Ralph Simonton on July 23,2009 | 06:16PM
I was based on the US Navy Station, San Juan, Puerto Rico, Feb 1952-March 1955. Our Army flight detachment shared a hangar with the Coast Guard. We received a survival equipment support from Ramey AFB, Puerto Rico. I made numerous trips to Ramey. Initially, the base was home to B-50s, but transitioned to B-36s during my Puerto Rico tour. I was fascinated by the B-36, a beautiful bird - and it looked so graceful in flight. If I was on the ground, I always stopped what I was doing - taxiing, disembarking, etc. Jerry E Holstad
Posted by Jerry E Holstad on July 29,2009 | 04:56PM
As a Gunner, 9th Bomb Sqd. Carswell AFB,our aircract B-36 tail # 1083, AC Maj.Skelton, participated as a test platform involving gunnery and high altitude perfomance. Our B-36 was designated as feather weight. As for gunnery we never had fuses blown when slewing. Flying gunney missions weekly In Operation Castle the,crew wearing preasure suits ,participated in high altitude,55,000ft, air sampling While another B-36 was flying at an altitude of 55,000 ft over the first Hydrogen Bomb blast, resulting in moderate damage to BB doors and the burning off of everything painted black. Our crew also tested the first frozen foods, and electonic toilet. Col. Schoefler, 9th BS ,flew the C99 from San Diego to Carswell, a double decked B-36. If memory serves me right , it was used to fly Aircraft parts, mainly engines, during the Korean war , to Mc Chord AFB.
Posted by Al Thanem on July 31,2009 | 04:08PM
I believe I missspoke. Col Schoefler flew the C99 from San Diego to Carswell AFB not the C90 if that is what I wrote, dam it's hard being 88.
Posted by Al Thanem on July 31,2009 | 04:41PM
I am enjoying reading everyone's comments on the B-36....As an avid '36 buff myself, I would love to see one fly again also....Unfortunately, it will likely never happen due to the fact that the beast was a maintenance nightmare and the required maintenance/flying hours ratio was extremely one-sided to say the least....Having inquired about the possibility myself, I was told by someone at the USAF museum that it would never happen for the following reasons: Availbility of usable radial engine components for the R4360 Structural fatigue of any still existing airframes (Only 4 exist). Massive insurance liability. Lack of qualified pilots/maintenance personnel familiar with the aircraft. No more leaded Avgas which it ran on. No airfields except a few AF bases that could support the massive weight (155 tons). And lastly, no AF desire to see it fly again....Supposedly somebody tried in the late 60's/early 70's with the one that used to be at Ft. Worth and the AF put the big ka-bosh on it because they thought it was too dangerous to try.... I was born a year too late to see/hear it fly and will just have to settle for watching "Strategic Air Command" to see/hear one go up!!!....It would really be something tho'!!!....Those who got to witness it are lucky....Keep the great stories coming! L. Johnson Chicago, IL
Posted by Lee Johnson on August 27,2009 | 11:57AM
To Tom Drodge ~ I cannot find a number or email address for you, but am interested in discussing your proposed book. My father was a member of that crew. wpmaher at yahoo dot com -- is the best way to contact me. EDITORS' REPLY: We forwarded your message on to Mr. Drodge.
Posted by William Patrick Maher on August 31,2009 | 08:37AM
I would like to post this message in memory of my uncle Andrew R. Peterson who recently passed away this past July. Uncle Andy flew fifty one combat missions in a B-24 Liberator in the European theater in 1944. He later flew for the USA Air Transport Command until he was discharged in 1947. As part of the US Air Force Reserves Captian Peterson was recalled for two years of active state-side duty during the Korean Conflict flying B-36 reconnaissance. He also flew a DC-9 for twenty one years in civilian life. Uncle Andy started flying planes when he was a teenager in the 1930's and continued to own and fly his own airplane into his 80's. He loved flying, it was his life, and what an interesting life he lived.
Posted by Michael Peterson on September 6,2009 | 08:24AM
I was an air force brat. In 1952 we lived at Travis A.F.B in California. I remember the sound of the B-36, it was a sound like no other. My friends and I would ride our bikes to the end of the runway to see them lift off, it was like being in a science fiction movie. I hadn't thought much about the sound, but one day I was sitting in a doctor's waiting room and I heard that B-36 sound. I went to the window to see what it was. There were 6 air conditioning units and they were all working. The harmonics were very much like the sound of the B-36.
Posted by Robert E. Springer on September 9,2009 | 01:21AM
I am the grand daughter of Lt Col Clarence "Bud" Lamping. I am sad to say he is at the end of his life. What an incredible man, I am fortunate that he is my Grandpa!
Posted by Erin Watkins on September 10,2009 | 10:50PM
I was the Aircraft commander on the B-36 that did the flyover of the Smithonian (up Independence Ave.) with two B-29's on my wings for the celebration of the return of the Wright Brothers plane on 17 December 1948. I had a very good picture of the event (autograghed by Stuart Symington)showing the entrance to the Smithonian and the three aircraft, but lost it in one of the many floods in Fort Worth. I've been trying to replace it ever since and have not been successful---does anyone know where I may find a copy?
Posted by Pete Bowers on September 13,2009 | 05:48AM
Query: how many total spark plugs, including those that might possibly be in gernerators or heaters, were employed in the original B36A and then, how many were in the "4 turning and 4 burning" version? Thanks for your attention and answer to this cold war vet's curio query.
Posted by L. Pierce Standridge on September 15,2009 | 04:20PM
I was stationed at Biggs AFB in 1956 until 1957. I enjoyed working on the B-36 and yes the sound it made when flying was like no other sound that i have ever heard. I must admit that the Plane did give a lot of trouble with oil leaks,plugs fouling out and so many other problems, but then it was a monster of and airpane. We and the flight crew was flown to Ft Worth and we had a crew that all was spot promoted and supposed to take part in competetion. anyway the plane was ran up so much but could never get it in a position to fly. So the Commander came up and informed us that the plane would fly back to El Paso, Our thinking was that the Air crew did not want the plane to fly, anyway I enjoyed my time with that plane. Left Biggs and went to Hunter AFB.worked on the K-97, also B-47. I have enjoyed reading all the memories of you guys and the info that you have shared. thanks Chester Edwards
Posted by Chester Edwards on September 25,2009 | 03:35PM
Mayby someone can clear up an old but very pleasant memory that I have. I lived in Detroit as a boy and distinctly remember one day hearing the unforgettable drone of the B-36. Running outside and looking up I saw several B-36's flying south over the city. The're were also a few smaller aircraft mixed in the formation. My memory tells me there had to be at least 6 or 7 B-36's. Can anyone out there clarify and/or add to the information.
Posted by AL Rutz on September 27,2009 | 06:40AM
After receiving 9 months of training as an automatic tracking radar technician at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, Mississippi, I was transferred to Amarillo AFB, Texas. As an 18 year old newbie to SAC, my job was to repair the SCR584 radar set (all vacuum tubes, no transistors, no computers). Our 25-man detachment was responsible for scoring ready, lead and select crews who flew SAC bombers during simulated bomb runs over many cities and areas throughout the United States. Kurt LeMay was the boss, stationed at Carswell AFB, Fort Worth, TX. Of course, none of us ever saw the general, but he was with us in spirit. I well remember seeing and hearing many B-36 bombers on their incoming courses from different IPs. They were a great to score because they were so easy to pick up on the radar and if we stepped outside, we could hear them before we could get a visual contact. The B-36 was replaced by the B-47s (which lasted only a short time), then B-52s. I was given my honorable discharge when I was 21, after which I ended up becoming a member of the dental profession at 32. Interesting that I am viewing the movie "Strategic Air Command" starring Jimmy Stewart and June Allyson as I write. I am now 72, but will never forget what was probably the most exciting 4 years of my life.
Posted by A/3C Barry N. Schmidt on October 9,2009 | 08:20PM
I was born in 1951 and grew up about halfway between the Dallas-Fort Worth area and the state line with Oklahoma, on a small ranch. I loved sitting outside and looking for airplanes of ANY sort, because they were still fairly rare (at least compared to other places). I have always thought that once -- just once -- I saw a B-36 overhead, my attention riveted by the rear-facing engines. Though I don't remember for sure, my guess is that would have been in the 1957-58 period. I'm still not sure if what I saw was a B-36; for one thing, I plain don't remember how many engines it had, nor, indeed, if I thought to count them or would have been able to do so had I thought of it. But in later years, once I became aware of the aircraft by its formal designation and saw photos of it, I was almost entirely sure it was indeed a B-36 I saw that day. And for a kid single-digit aged, it was damned impressive.
Posted by Mekhong Kurt on October 30,2009 | 12:39AM
Re: The C-99 I enlisted in the USAF in April, 1951. After Basic Training at Lackland AFB, San Antonio TX, I was posted to Brooks AFB for additional training. We always knew when the C-99 would take off. Schedules permitting, we drove near Kelly Field to an overpass overlooking the end of the longest runway. We parked (with many others) at the curb and waited for the C-99 to come out. Revving up each engine, it vibrated the concrete, emitting a satisfying roar. Then it trundled onto the runway, went the 'wrong' way, and swung around to face us, its rear end perched off the runway. We passed around field glasses. Then, all the engines revved, and amid huge noise and billowing smoke--nothing happened! Now the pilot must have fire-walled the engines because the noise rose. But no movement. Amid increasing noise and smoke, the plane seemed to scrunch its 'shoulders' and move slightly, then still more, and now it was coming straight toward us, slowly--too slowly to take off. And then it gathered speed and too close to us, the nose wheel lifted, and the beast rotated and was airborne. Now the gear started to tuck in, and then the plane was over us--at about 300 feet altitude. We turned,to watch it climb out--low, flat, hot. Then we silently returned to our cars. There were no traffic tickets. The cops were equally hypnotized.
Posted by Harold Males on November 11,2009 | 12:39PM
This is addressed to Tom Drodge: My uncle by marriage, Jimmy Powell, was a member of the crew on that flight. I don't know if I have any new information, but I might have an old picture or two if you need any. His widow, my aunt died a few years ago and I have some of hew things in my attic. I know there were some pictures of Jimmy in one of the boxes. Also, I would be very interested to read your book if you would let me know when it is published. All the best--Becky Flower
Posted by Becky Flower on November 11,2009 | 07:38PM
I have a picture of the B-58 Hustler with B-36's in the background. I believe it was taken in Texas, when the Hustler first rolled out. I worked B-58's at Grissom AFB in the late 60's just before they were put to rest in 1970. EDITORS' REPLY: If you would like to scan the photograph (a photocopy store can do this if you don't have a scanner) and send us an electronic version of the picture to post on the web, go to http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/scrapbook.html. Thanks.
Posted by Hank Titone on November 18,2009 | 07:44AM