Woe Canada
The only thing that kept Canada from beating the U.S. to a jet airliner was Canada.
- By Graham Chandler
- Air & Space magazine, March 2009
Even though the rugged airplane had survived an emergency nosewheel landing on its second test fight, the Jetliner’s days were numbered. Not even interest from Howard Hughes (opposite, top) was enough to save it. Instead, Avro ramped up production of its CF-100 fighters (left).
Collage: Ted lopez; photographs and newspapers courtesy Mabel Baker family, George Evans, Avro of Canada
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Ironically, it was the CF-100 work that spawned a potential revival for the Jetliner. Avro was proposing to use the
Hughes MG2 fire control system for the Mark IV version of the CF-100. In a 2005 interview, Floyd told me: “Crawford Gordon got the idea that Howard Hughes is good for new projects, and so why don’t we get him interested in the Jetliner?” The idea was that the Jetliner would make a good flying testbed for the fighter program. “The Jetliner was nearly as fast as a CF-100, so we could put all the equipment in there and try it out,” Floyd said. Hughes was well aware of the record-breaking Jetliner—his airline TWA had already evaluated it, and he was anxious to fly it.
So on April 7, 1952, the Jetliner departed Malton for Culver City, California. Among those on board were Floyd, who brought along reams of Jetliner drawings, and chief test pilot Don Rogers. After stops for fuel in Chicago and Denver, the crew arrived at Hughes’ airfield the following afternoon. The next day, the billionaire arranged to meet them at their airplane.
“My first impression was: Here was someone who was almost, what shall we say, a phantom,” Floyd told me. “He drove up in a car, and stayed in the car about two hours talking to somebody.” Finally the car door opened and Hughes walked over to meet the team. He had a quick look inside, and seemed especially interested in the cockpit layout.
The next day, Hughes wanted to fly. Rogers sat him in the copilot’s seat. “He didn’t say very much,” Rogers told me in a 2005 interview. “He just took the ride in the right-hand seat for a few circuits, then I put him in the left seat for a few circuits.” Rogers recounted that Hughes was a fast learner, very careful, and applied just the right inputs to the Jetliner’s flight controls. He remembered Hughes tended to make his approaches faster than necessary, in order to “feel” the airplane. The entrepreneur had a cavalier disregard for flight plans and radio instructions. “Flight plans weren’t mandatory in those days,” Rogers said. “He’d just take off on his own private strip and I’d be searching the sky very carefully for other aircraft.”
After they landed, Hughes immediately ordered the Jetliner parked on the far side of his airfield, under a tree with guards around it. No one else was allowed near it. “His pilots never did get to fly the airplane,” Rogers said. Besides wanting to feel how the airplane performed,
Hughes wanted to understand its design and engineering details, so he asked Floyd to sit down with him at a suite in the Beverly Hills Hotel. “We stretched all the drawings out on the dining room table, starting off about seven o’clock at night,” Floyd recalled. “I hadn’t had my dinner and it went on till about six o’clock the next morning.”
In the course of talking with Hughes for 11 hours about nothing but the Jetliner, Floyd came to admire the man’s engineering acumen. “My God, he really asked the questions that should be asked,” he said. “He was absolutely at home with the drawings and all the things we were talking about. He came across as a very knowledgeable engineer.” Floyd later got a photograph of the Jetliner that Hughes had autographed: “To Jim, with commendation for this very good design.”
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Comments (8)
Thank you for this well written article.
Posted by Lorenzo on January 22,2009 | 06:29 PM
Interesting to read about Avro's early leadership in jets both in airliners and military aircraft. I was calling on them in 1957 to meet their flight testing requirements in instrumentation(multichannel tape recorders). Deifenbaker was prime minister at the time and had promised the farmers of Canada a subsidy for certain crops so he became an "Instant Ace" by shooting down the CF-105 program and destroying all five planes! This despite the outstanding performance of their new aircraft. He settled for the Lockheed F-104 more commonly known as "The Widow Maker", an interceptor that demanded skillful pilots for landings.
Posted by Cliff Barber on January 24,2009 | 10:10 AM
An article on just how many great and potentially great aircraft never made it past government ineptitude would probably be a fascinating read.
Include aircraft that were built, but never progressed,(TSR2, etc) as well as aircraft that were forced to be redesigned for roles they were never intended for (ME262, etc)and, I suppose the list would be huge. Of course, you could then go on to the repercussions of those decisions, which in some cases were huge.
It would probably take up a full edition.
Posted by Jim Trewin on January 24,2009 | 07:40 PM
Excelletnt article on a truly great Candian Aircraft that had so much potential. It is really to bad that politicians end up destroying the future because it does not fit with their agenda. The Avro Arrow was a follow up to the Jetliner that had it's potential cut short bu short-sighted politicians. It makes one wonder where aviation in Canada and the world would really be if these two aircraft had been allowed to grow to maturity.
Posted by Bob Geoghegan on February 2,2009 | 07:35 PM
This brings back old memories. I was an observer on one of the first Jetliner demonstration flights for U.S. airlines. Dixon Speas, an old friends from my MIT days, invited my boss, Andre Priester, VP&Chief Engineer of Pan Am to participate on an early flight. Priester sent me.
This was in November 1950. We were then talking with Lockheed, Douglas, and Boeing about a jet transport capable of flying our tranoceanic routes across the Atlantic and the Pacific. The Jetliner did not have this capability, but we wanted to be educated. I flew up to Toronto on a Trans Canada DC-4M (equipped with Rolls-Royce Merlin engines -- very noisy) one Saturday, met Dixon and visited the AVRO plant. Next morning we flew to Chicago. It was a very smooth quiet flight of about an hour. When the airplane returned to Toronto I flew back to New York on a UAL DC-6,
slower and lower. Unfortunately my notes on that flight are long gone.
We continued our search for a transoceanic jet. In 1952, when no U.S. (or Canadian) manufacturer was ready to commit for one, Juan Trippe sent Frank Gledhill to England to sign a letter of intent for an advanced version of the Comet, the Comet III. In December 1952 I was on a Pan Am team sent to de Havilland to work on the specification. That airplane was cancelled by de Havilland after a series of Comet I and II crashes.
By then the Boeing prototype Dash 80 was flying and in October 1955 we reached agreement with Boeing to become launch customer for the Boeing 707. Then just over fifty years ago on October 26, 1958 Pan Am Flight 114 from New York to Paris inaugurated U.S. jet service to Europe.
That was long ago, but I still remember that 1950 flight in the AVRO Jetliner.
Robert Wallace Blake, Pan Am retired
Posted by Robert Wallace Blake on February 16,2009 | 04:47 PM
The genius of Canadian Design has always been subject to the Uk or the USA. Avro and its designers and pilots have always suffered at the hands of the industrial magnets of there friends. Let us hope Nafta, will allow Canadian ingenuity,to triumph.
Posted by Richard Shenton on February 19,2009 | 06:59 PM
I had never heard of the C-102 jetliner , until I saw the
article in Airpower Magazine , and then I read Jim Floyds
book on the subject , I was appalled by the Canadian governments incompetence in the whole affair -- they had a world beater (as the old saying goes -- " Build a better mouse trap & the world will beat a path to your door " ) and yet they showed stupidity.
Posted by Raymond G. Wiles on October 12,2010 | 09:05 PM