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The F-4 Phantom II lives. But the life it leads today is an odd one.
It still flies in other countries; in northern Iraq, for example, the Turks use it in combat with the Kurds. But in the United States, it leads a twilight existence. It’s a warplane, but it no longer fights. Its mission is weapons testing, but no pilot flies it. Mostly, you’ll find these F-4s either sitting in the desert or lying at the bottom of the sea.
The F-4 entered service in 1960, flying for the U.S. Navy. After studying its potential for close air support, interdiction, and counter-air operations, the Air Force added the F-4 to its fleet in 1963. Eventually the Phantom ended up even in the U.S. Marine Corps’ inventory. In four decades of active service to the United States, the aircraft set 16 world performance records. It downed more adversaries (280 claimed victories) than any other U.S. fighter in the Vietnam War. Two decades later, it flew combat missions in Desert Storm.
In 1996 the aircraft was retired from the U.S. fleet. But the venerable McDonnell design has one last mission to perform for the military: to go down in flames.
Since 1991, 254 Phantoms have served as unpiloted flying targets for missile and gun tests conducted near Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida and Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. The use of F-4 drones (designated QF-4s) is expected to continue until 2014.
When an airframe is needed for target duty, one is pulled from storage at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in the Arizona desert. The airframe is given refurbished engines and instruments, then sent to Mojave Airport in California. There, BAE Systems turns the aircraft into remote-controlled drones, installing radio antennas and modifying the flight controls, throttles, landing gear, and flaps.
QF-4 production test pilot Bob Kay is responsible for testing the converted aircraft, then flying them from Mojave to Tyndall and Holloman. Kay has been captivated by the F-4 since the age of seven, when his father took him to an airshow. “I saw a Navy A-3 refueling two Phantoms as they flew over so low and with that noise,” he says. “That’s all I remember of that airshow, but I knew I wanted to fly that fighter.”
I ask if he has any second thoughts about being part of a system that destroys an airplane he loves, an aviation legend.
The F-4 Phantom II lives. But the life it leads today is an odd one.
It still flies in other countries; in northern Iraq, for example, the Turks use it in combat with the Kurds. But in the United States, it leads a twilight existence. It’s a warplane, but it no longer fights. Its mission is weapons testing, but no pilot flies it. Mostly, you’ll find these F-4s either sitting in the desert or lying at the bottom of the sea.
The F-4 entered service in 1960, flying for the U.S. Navy. After studying its potential for close air support, interdiction, and counter-air operations, the Air Force added the F-4 to its fleet in 1963. Eventually the Phantom ended up even in the U.S. Marine Corps’ inventory. In four decades of active service to the United States, the aircraft set 16 world performance records. It downed more adversaries (280 claimed victories) than any other U.S. fighter in the Vietnam War. Two decades later, it flew combat missions in Desert Storm.
In 1996 the aircraft was retired from the U.S. fleet. But the venerable McDonnell design has one last mission to perform for the military: to go down in flames.
Since 1991, 254 Phantoms have served as unpiloted flying targets for missile and gun tests conducted near Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida and Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. The use of F-4 drones (designated QF-4s) is expected to continue until 2014.
When an airframe is needed for target duty, one is pulled from storage at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in the Arizona desert. The airframe is given refurbished engines and instruments, then sent to Mojave Airport in California. There, BAE Systems turns the aircraft into remote-controlled drones, installing radio antennas and modifying the flight controls, throttles, landing gear, and flaps.
QF-4 production test pilot Bob Kay is responsible for testing the converted aircraft, then flying them from Mojave to Tyndall and Holloman. Kay has been captivated by the F-4 since the age of seven, when his father took him to an airshow. “I saw a Navy A-3 refueling two Phantoms as they flew over so low and with that noise,” he says. “That’s all I remember of that airshow, but I knew I wanted to fly that fighter.”
I ask if he has any second thoughts about being part of a system that destroys an airplane he loves, an aviation legend.
He thinks for a moment, then says, “What better way is there for a warrior to end its life than to go down in a blaze of glory?”
The Phantom has been called “double ugly,” “rhino,” “old smokey,” and monikers even less flattering. The design does have its share of ungainly bends and angles. The horizontal stabilizers droop 23.25 degrees. The outer wing sections tilt upward 12 degrees. When an engineer looks it over, the first thing that probably comes to mind is “stability and control problems.” A brutal example of that weakness occurred during a May 18, 1961 speed record attempt. While Navy test pilot Commander J.L. Felsman flew below 125 feet over a three-mile course, his F-4 experienced pitch damper failure. The resulting pilot-induced oscillation generated over 12 Gs. Both engines were ripped from the airframe and Felsman was killed. (A later attempt succeeded.)
Control sensitivity varies widely. It takes full aft stick to raise the nose for takeoff, yet at certain fuel loadings and at speeds just above Mach 0.9 at low altitude, moving the stick only one inch can produce 6 Gs on the airframe. At above Mach 2, on the other hand, the shock wave that is created moves the center of lift so far aft that pulling the stick all the way back produces only about 2 Gs.
With all its peculiarities and faults, legions have had love/hate relationships with the aircraft. “The F-4 is the last of the fighter pilot’s fighters,” says BAE’s Bob Kay. “You have to fly the F-4.” It has none of the bells and whistles of next-generation fighters. Instead of the multi-function flight displays found in modern fighters, the cockpit instruments are “steam gauges”—round dials with needles. It has an inertial navigation system, best described as cranky. There is no flight management system, no GPS, no Electronic Flight Instrument System (EFIS), and no “Bitching Betty” voice system to alert the pilot to hazards. You have to navigate, bomb, shoot missiles, fire the gun, look for problems, and evaluate every one of those actions instrument by instrument. For the pilot, this means a lot of time is spent head down, analyzing instrument data; in modern aircraft, on the other hand, much of the information is presented compactly, in head-up displays above the instrument panel.
My affair with the Phantom began upon graduation from pilot training in 1964, when I landed a tour in the Air Force F-4C. Though the Navy and Marine Corps assigned radar operators to the “pit,” as we referred to the second seat, the Air Force thought it would be more effective to use the configuration for two pilots. Wrong. No true fighter pilot chooses to serve as
copilot. The assignment was akin to a shotgun marriage. For two years I languished six feet behind my more experienced comrades, calling off altimeter readings as they bombed, strafed, and fired rockets in training exercises on the gunnery range. Backseaters had to beg, cajole, and whine for stick time, and when we got it, we found that every aspect of flying the F-4 from the rear cockpit was a nightmare. The meager instruments were placed haphazardly in a straight line across the panel. The useless clock and G-meter were located in the center. Why? Because they fit there! Instrument approaches gave you a migraine. And to spot the runway, you had to peer through a knothole on either side of the cockpit, which made landing from the pit an adventure, especially with a crosswind.
Front-seaters were not always thrilled with the F-4 either. In 1972, during his second tour in Vietnam, U.S. Air Force Major Dan Cherry, now a retired brigadier general, flew 185 combat missions in the Phantom; today he recalls: “The F-4 cockpit was uncomfortable, the instruments were poorly arranged, crew coordination was a hassle, it was ugly, and it used fuel like nobody’s business.”
Crews that flew the airplane for the Navy had their own share of problems. By 1966 the Rolling Thunder bombing campaign waged by the Navy and Air Force had really heated up. Large formations of fighter-bombers were striking targets in the Hanoi area daily. That year Commander Dick Adams’ squadron flew combat in F-4s off the carrier USS Franklin D. Roosevelt. Each Phantom launched from the Rosie’s short catapult with four 500-pound and four 1,000-pound bombs, plus an empty centerline tank, which was refueled during climbout. Before a carrier landing, Phantoms had to achieve a certain landing weight; landing heavy would overstress the arresting cables. For this carrier, the F-4 was a heavy aircraft, and as such could try an approach with fuel for only one or two attempts. On the 1966 cruise, one of the squadron jets on a landing attempt was waved off, and when the pilot ran out of fuel before completing a second pattern, the engines flamed out and the aircraft went deep-six. The crew survived.
In March 1966, I was told that if I agreed to take a combat tour, I’d get the front seat. Are you kidding? I made my first front-seat flight at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida. I still remember it: a gunnery mission. And oh, the visibility from the front
chair! My landing was the smoothest of “grease jobs.” At that moment, the shotgun marriage turned into a love affair.
After passing my checkout flight, I was stationed at Ubon Air Base in Thailand, a member of the 555th—“Triple Nickle”—Squadron in Colonel Robin Olds’ famed Eighth Wing.
At Ubon, the F-4 was all things to all people. One squadron flew only at night, popping flares and dropping bombs. The other two squadrons flew both day and night, dive-bombing bridges, strafing ground targets, rocketing truck parks, and tangling with the ever-elusive MiGs over Hanoi.
On October 11, 1966, I discovered how tough the Phantom was. An 85-mm round blew a four-foot section off my right engine, and the aircraft caught fire. Still, it held together through the 400 miles back to Ubon.
By the end of 1966, the Phantom had revealed a host of shortcomings. Number one was the dismal record of missile hits against the North Vietnamese MiG-17s and MiG-21s. The AIM-7 radar-guided missile had a probability of kill below 10 percent. Richard Keyt, who flew F-4s for the 35th Tactical Fighter Squadron during the Vietnam War, recalls: “Our missiles were designed to work in a non-maneuvering environment—a non-turning, 1-G shot at the bomber target flying straight and level at high altitude.” The reality: “F-4s fired in high-G turns at small MiGs that were turning hard and pulling Gs.” To remedy the problem, the Air Force expanded its Weapons System Evaluation Program (WSEP) at Clark Air Base in the Philippines. Combat crews were given practice in firing missiles at towed radar-reflective targets.
My backseater, First Lieutenant Jerry K. Sharp, and I took part in that exercise over the South China Sea in December 1966, scoring a hit. On January 2, 1967, we used the skills we had honed in that exercise when we merged with a flight of four MiG-21s that were turning hard to get at us. Sharp got a radar lock-on while under heavy Gs. Then I centered the steering dot, fired two AIM-7s, and watched as the second missile exploded and tore the tail section from the MiG in front of us.
For other F-4 shortcomings, the military contracted out quick fixes. Modifications included the installation of Radar Homing and Warning (RHAW) gear—a cockpit system that alerted pilots when their aircraft was being tracked by anti-aircraft-artillery radars or surface-to-air-missile sites. Also added were radar jamming pods, plus chaff and flare dispensers used in combination to confuse tracking radars and to dupe radar-guided or heat-seeking missiles.
The C variant had a number of design problems; one of the biggest was lack of a gun. The rules of engagement over Vietnam required that an adversary be identified visually before a missile could be fired at it. The MiGs were small, and to make the ID, shooters had to get close, often much less than the minimum distance that the AIM-7 radar-guided and AIM-9B heat-seeking missiles required to hit a target. At short range, “if you didn’t have a gun, you couldn’t shoot down anything,” says Richard Keyt. The quick fix was the SUU-16/A gun pod with the M61A1 20-mm cannon.
But without a lead-computing sight and with no tracer ammunition, F-4C pilots were denied the visual cues needed to correct aiming errors. Then, in 1967, the F-4D arrived. The D model introduced a lead-computing optical sight for use with the gun pod. In addition, the normal ammunition load now included tracers.
On November 6, 1967, the gunfighter Phantom proved its worth. Captain Darrell “D” Simmonds and First Lieutenant George H. McKinney Jr. were escorting a flight of F-105s that came under attack by two MiG-17s. “We picked up the MiG-17s visually that were shooting at the Thuds [F-105s],” says Simmonds. “I was able to get in there and maneuvered for a perfect ‘uphill dart’ shot. I hit him, came alongside, and looked at him, and he looked at me, then ejected just before the plane hit the trees.” McKinney spotted another MiG-17 and Simmonds swung into a hard turn, accelerating as he lined up for the shot. “We were close, but I didn’t want to miss the opportunity,” the pilot remembers. “I fired and he blew up.” Later, Simmonds realized: “We had used just 497 rounds for the two kills—less than five seconds of firing.”
The D model, however, was not a cure-all. “The guns on the D hung externally, on the centerline, and that created drag,” says Keyt. As for the missiles, the underperforming AIM-9B was abandoned for the Hughes AIM-4D Falcon. Designed to bring down strategic bombers, it required cooling of the seeker head prior to launch and needed a direct hit to score a kill. As pilots found out during what became known as the “Falcon Fiasco,” it came up short in a dogfight. Major James R. Chamberlain, a backseater stationed with the “Gunfighters”—the 366th Tactical Fighter Wing at Da Nang—notes, “The biggest problem with the AIM-4D was the limited amount of cooling time available [two minutes or less], which meant that the missile could not be pre-cooled for a quicker lock-on. And, once available liquid nitrogen was consumed, the missile was a blind, dead bullet—derisively called the ‘Hughes Arrow.’ ” After firing four of the missiles in combat without success, Robin Olds insisted the missiles cost him his fifth kill. He ordered them removed from his fleet.
The Air Force soon trashed the AIM-4D. Newer Sidewinders were substituted. The military also recognized the benefits of an internal gun: The F-4E, introduced in 1967, had an M-61A cannon mounted beneath a solid-state AN/APQ-120 radar, both inside the aircraft nose. During the time Richard Keyt’s 35th Tactical Fighter Squadron was based at Korat air base in Thailand, five squadron aircrews were credited with MiG kills, and four used the internal gun.
In 1973, during my third tour in Southeast Asia, I was assigned to the early E model. It was a dream to fly, not only because of the improvements made in gun and missile technology but also because the Air Force had realized the folly of putting two pilots in a fighter. After 1967, virtually all the GIBs—guys in back—were either navigators or radar intercept operators.
The follow-on Es brought enhancements: A horizontal tailplane with a fixed inverted slat gave improved control at high angles of attack. Leading-edge slats on the wings enabled tighter turns at slow maneuvering speeds. A Northrop system called TISEO (target identification system, electro-optical) identified airborne targets.
By the time my final tour was up, in 1974, a fleet of Phantom variants had safely taken me through a gauntlet of fire and flying experiences that would constitute the greatest adventures of my life.
Three-plus decades later, I was once again in the company of Phantoms. This time the setting was the tarmac at Tyndall.
The commander of the 82nd Aerial Target and Recovery Squadron, which conducts the drone shootdowns, is Lieutenant Colonel J.D. “Bare” Lee. A former F-16 pilot, Lee also has 1,500 hours in the Phantom. He still recalls the first time he took to the air in one. “I was shocked at how much more difficult it was to fly than I thought it would be,” he told me. “When I got home, I told my wife, ‘I think I just traded in a Porsche for a ’72 Cadillac.’ ”
At any one time, a total of up to 80 F-4s are stationed at Tyndall and at Lee’s Holloman detachment in New Mexico. Twenty-one Phantoms sat on a ramp called the Swamp, awaiting movement to Death Row, the holding area for the soon-to-be targets.
At mid-afternoon the drone mission briefing took place. The meeting included the drone “fliers,” Lockheed Martin personnel headed by pilot/controller Matt
LaCourse. “Today’s mission is in support of WSEP, so there’ll be a lot of shooters out there,” said Lee. “WSEP” is the same Weapons System Evaluation Program I had participated in four decades earlier in Vietnam, when I’d practiced shooting at towed targets from F-4s. Now the F-4 was the target.
LaCourse explained that four F-22 Raptors would each fire the latest AIM-120 air-to-air missile. The shooters and chase plane would take off from the main runway, while the drone used a strip three miles east.
Most Phantoms wind up in the Gulf of Mexico within one to three missions. But not all: One, nicknamed “Christine,” after the Stephen King book and film about a crazed car with a mind of its own, had survived 10 missions. Another, “Son of Christine,” has come back from 12 sorties, the current record.
Some drone missions are not meant to be shootdowns: The Phantom is loaded with missile jammers, and missiles without warheads are fired against the craft to test how well the jamming works. Other Phantoms are spruced up with Vietnam War-era camouflage and flown to airshows.
One Phantom was saved by its former pilot. On April 16, 1972, Dan Cherry, flying an F-4D, had scored a victory over a North Vietnamese Mig-21. Thirty-two years later, during a trip with friends to the National Museum of the Air Force in Dayton, Ohio, Cherry encountered the aircraft he had flown that day. It was on display in the little town of Enon, outside Dayton.
“In spite of her flat tires, weeds growing up all around, bird droppings everywhere, and faded gray paint, she was beautiful,” he recalls. “Walking around her and answering my friend’s questions made me realize how much I loved her and how much I owed her for taking such good care of me. Suddenly all those things that seemed like negatives before paled in comparison to the strong bond I felt at that moment.” Cherry took on the task of relocating the aircraft to the Aviation Heritage Park in Bowling Green, Kentucky, where it was restored and is now displayed. Then he decided to learn about the pilot of the MiG he had shot down. (Cherry’s story about meeting his former enemy in Vietnam will appear in a future issue of Air & Space/Smithsonian.)
At Tyndall, the heat and humidity hit my face like a wet washcloth. The van driver took us from Death Row to the end of the runway, where F-4E tail number 73-1165 was positioned about 20 feet to the right of the runway centerline.
I asked if I could approach the aircraft. My unit escort, Major Kevin Brackin, obtained permission. I got out of the van and walked across the concrete. When I reached the aircraft, I placed my hand on the radome. Because of the cloud cover, the nose was warm to the touch, not the usual egg-frying hot. The Phantom felt alive.
I felt a wave of dread. Within minutes this magnificent machine might be in pieces at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.
A photo was taken, and I headed back to the van to listen to the radio chatter.
Lee says it cost the Air Force $2.6 million to get the aircraft from the boneyard in Tucson to the runway at Tyndall. Is it worth it? “The F-4E has the built-in ability to launch flares and chaff and can carry an assortment of jamming pods, all of which put our latest weapon systems through their most rigorous tests,” says Lee. Had we taken the time to test our missiles properly in the early 1960s, the Vietnam air war might have turned out like the one over Baghdad: a clean sweep.
We positioned ourselves behind the drone to await the launch order. Both engines were started. The canopy was closed, and the self-destruct bomb was armed for use in case the drone went out of control. Finally, the intake screens in front of the engine inlets were removed.
Then came an ominous ground transmission: The “shooter aircraft have problems,” and a storm cell had slung cloud
layers over a wide swath of sky. We sat and waited.
Finally, after a 15-minute delay, the mission was ordered back on.
The drone launch order was soon passed, and the operators got the Phantom rolling. LaCourse made a correction to get the aircraft precisely on centerline as both afterburners lit. Fifteen seconds later, I watched the pilotless aircraft take off.
The F-4 proceeded out over the gulf. The first aircraft fired its missile. The ground controller monitoring the telemetry radioed the air crews: “No hit.”
The Phantom flew on.
My emotions tangled: I wanted the aircraft to survive, but I also wanted it to fulfill its intended mission.
The four F-22 Raptors spread out. Each launched a missile. Over the radio we heard “Fox-four”—all shooters had fired.
Then: “Splash.” A direct hit.
Brackin and I walked back to the van and got in. Brackin was staring straight ahead. Then he turned to me. “So now you know,” he said, grinning. “It takes four Raptors to kill an F-4.”

I still say the F-4 is one the best fighters we had!
Posted by Stephen Elkin USN 1968-1972 on November 20,2008 | 12:20PM
Nice job, Ralph! You captured the relationship spot on. Bill McCabe, Col, USAF (Ret) (F-4C GIB, 433rd TFS, 8th TFW, Ubon '67)
Posted by Bill McCabe on November 21,2008 | 07:15AM
The relationship between the pilot and his plane is expressed very well in this article, as is the history of the F-4. Good job on this one!
Posted by C/A1C Alexander Riehl, CAP on November 29,2008 | 06:35AM
Your article hit home. I logged over 3000 hours (front and back) in the Phantom while stationed at MacDill, Eglin, Korat, Torrejon, Kunsan, George, and Clark. I had nothing to compare her to, so I was always overjoyed to be strapped in. Like you said, she wasn't considered pretty or sleek (beauty's in the eye of the beholder)and I even remember some F-100 jocks refusing to transition because of the two seats, but she was a war horse. And she had the strength and mass to bring you home despite battle damage. Col (Ret) John Allevato
Posted by Col (Ret) John Allevato on November 30,2008 | 06:02AM
I remember the change from the AIM-4D to the AIM-9 well. In Udorn, Thailand, civilians did the re-wiring, but I actually had to borrow the tech-reps McDonnell wiring diagrams because the USAF had deleted the pages from the F4-D tech order
Posted by Ron Collins on November 30,2008 | 11:52PM
Ralph, My friend, you have done it again. Excellent!! Semper Fidelis, Crow VMFA-122, VMFA-115 1967, 68
Posted by Jack McEncroe on December 1,2008 | 06:31AM
Yes, to some they were ugly, but not to those of us who maintained them, even though we cursed, cajoled begged and made deals with them as we fixed the quirky bas....s. But don't ever think we didn't love that airplane. then at Udorn in 68 and 69 and even today they remain a "beautiful" airplane. she will forever fly the sunlit skies if only in our memories.
Posted by rick dugas on December 2,2008 | 05:06AM
Ralph; Article well done; thanks for writing a very good history on the F4 Phantom, the best aircraft the cold war ever saw, powered by the most maintainable and highest reliable engines ever built, the GE J79's. All modern engines owe their basic compressor air flow design to the GE J79 engineering group managed by Mr. Neumann. The current operators fly under the name of "J79 TIGERS" and some will fly beyond 2025. Long Live the Phantom and the J79 Engines who power her.
Posted by Mike Solon - AKA J79 Engine on December 2,2008 | 05:52AM
Excellent Article. The first three fighters I flew in the USAF have been used as drones; F-102, F-106, and F-4. I hope the fourth, the F-15, does not face a similar fate. Although, Ralph sheds a different light on this valuable Air Force mission aptly performed by "Double Ugly".
Posted by Stan Welch, LTC (Ret), USAF on December 2,2008 | 02:15PM
I have always been proud of my time on the Phantom and even more proud of the community that flew and fixed them. Bill Crean c/c 68-0428,68-0420,69-7560.
Posted by Bill Crean on December 2,2008 | 06:26PM
This article brings back many fond memories of a grand old aircraft.I worked on Navy models F4B, N, J & S, from 1973 through 1983, before they were replaced by the F14 Tomcat. As far as I'm concerned, the F14 couldn't hold a candle to the venerable F4. They may be "Old Iron", but they will will always have a special place in this retired Navy Chief's heart. To borrow a qoute from Shakespear's Hamlet, "Alas poor Phantom, I knew you well".
Posted by Jim Baird on December 3,2008 | 03:20PM
Sadly, there's no comments about the QF4s from China Lake. We recently lost Cdr. Harlan Reep, USN Ret. (The Grim Reaper)to natural causes (Nov.'08) who was one of the best F4 drivers known to man and a top drone pilot. We miss him and the '4's...smokey joe's we called 'em. They've a great history here at China Lake. Cdr. Dick Wright still makes it to the Commissary and he too has a great record of being an F4 driver. His picture hangs in the hall of the Flight Test Hall at Edwards AFB. We began the drone programme here many years ago...T-33s and such. Ahhhh, I miss that time as well. One quick story: Wright's son is/was an AF pilot, came to China Lake, got a ride in the back seat of an F4 from 'Dad' and upon landing, could barely walk...was quite green about the gills and ah...well, we'll see you at the Barefoot Bar and I'll tell you the rest of the stories!!!
Posted by Pheadar O Tyrrell on December 4,2008 | 09:57PM
Worked on RF's at Mtn Home, F4 D's with the 13tfs at Udorn, and E models at Homestead. Saw them take a real beating and come home. What else can be said?
Posted by Vilos Mullins, ex-Ssgt on December 5,2008 | 03:58AM
I was employed at McDonnell Aircraft Corp. as a data reduction technician when the F4H-1 prototype made its first flight. A bunch of us climbed to the very top of the old Low-Speed Wind Tunnel building where we were able to see the takeoff and subsequent landing over on Lambert Field.
Posted by Virgil H. Soule on December 6,2008 | 11:17AM
In the Air and Space Magazine there is a picture, on page 32, of an F-4B(?) on an aircraft carriar deck. The picture is captioned, "Operating from the USS Constellation (opposite, below) during the Vietnam War, the Marines used Phantoms as tactical recon craft (RF-4Bs)." The other aircraft in the picture (launching from a catapult) is an FA-18A Hornet which didn't go operational until January 1983 -- long after Vietnam. Maybe a different war? EDITOR'S REPLY: You're right. I introduced that error; it was not the author's.
Posted by MSgt. Otho E. Fogwell, USAF, Ret. on December 6,2008 | 02:20PM
There was a P-38L at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, so I rode my motorcycle over to take a look at it. Very nice. While looking over the P-38, I heard this strange, piercing jet engine sound. It was the wail of a Phantom! An RF-4 Phantom from Idaho National Guard landed at Boeing Field, and taxied in near the Museum! I also got to see it take off. Someday, if my grandkid gets interested in airplanes, he will be able to take his kid to see that same P-38. But I don't know how they will ever be able to see and hear what I experienced that day. Phantoms Phorever! Seeya ATB
Posted by Alan T. Butler on December 6,2008 | 07:23PM
Great article! As an AF pilot, I never had the chance to fly an F-4, but I sure enjoyed watching them from other aircraft. Beautiful. Sitting at number one waiting for clearance at Luke AFB one day, I had a front row seat as an F-4E took the approach end barrier (with it's tailhook). Don't see an AF bird do that too often, then taxi away after being unhooked! In later years, I have also provided video cameras to China Lake for some of their QF-4 Drones. That was fun also!
Posted by Larry Klementowski on December 9,2008 | 10:47AM
We, the Cowboys, VMFA-112, did some pretty interesting testing in 1988-1990, cloaking ourselves from the AIM-9Ls, and therefore, all of the rest of the "heatseekers." ...still got the video from the AIM-9M/L shooters who couldn't keep a lock. It took a while to get it going, but after getting a thumbs up from NavAir and the MAG-41 CO, "Thunder," we began the magic. Yes, there were many naysayers, but overall, the Cowboys, once again, supported the unlikely and did the impossible. We did it the "Cowboy" way. Thanks! A documentary about that episode in the F-4 Phantom's intriguing life is in pre-prpduction. Yes, the theory was proved! The Cowboys celebrated the Marine Corps Birthday this year (2008) at the Tap In Bar n' Grill in Grapevine, TX where we recollected stories about that. Semper Fi Julian "Hulio" Vazquez, LtCol USMC (Ret) www.insidetheindustry.tv
Posted by Julian "Hulio" Vazquez, LtCol USMC (Ret) on December 9,2008 | 11:39AM
I first saw the magnificent F-4C at McDill AFB in Tampa, Fl. at the age of 7. My father was training in the F-4 as he had orders to go to SEA. I remember seeing two of them land together and seeing the chutes deployed to slow them down...WOW! My dad went off to UBON, RATAFB later that year and took part in Operation Bolo (Rambler 4)and downed a Mig-21 and had a 'probable' Mig 21 killon that famous mission. He later downed a Mig-17 flying the F-4C. Years later we were stationed at Holloman and my dad was the DO. I could really appreciate the F-4 as a 12-year-old compared to a 7-year-old. Living on a base with 94 F-4's was dream for a young fighter pilot's son. My dad made it special, too, and allowed me to see his squadron off for Crested Cap and let me sit in on the briefing. I was truly in awe and will never forget that special day in 1971. It saddens me to see such a reliable and magnificent war bird relenquished to flying target practice for today's modern military, but if it's current duty benefits our military and our country's security, then so be it. Te F-4's place in history is secured for eternity and I am honored to have known of her and the brave and talented pilots that flew her!
Posted by Neal Combies on December 9,2008 | 09:23PM
I proudly worked on my three Phantoms at RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge, located in Woodbridge, Suffolk, England, past home of the 81st T.F.W, 91st T.F.S "Blue Streaks" (77-79). I thoroughly enjoyed my time at "Cripple Creek", working in the soggy weather of England, putting Phantoms in the air and nursing them back to health on the ground. The friendships I made will last a lifetime. You're article brings back a lot of fond memories. Mahalo for the trip down memory lane! Da Riddler Baker Area Blue Streaker c/c 66-6629, 66-6578, & 65-6578
Posted by E.W. "Bill" Riddle a.k.a Da Riddler on December 11,2008 | 11:06AM
I remember that whenever you saw a trail of black smoke in the sky 20 miles away, it was either a Boeing 727 or an F-4. Both wonderful birds but the F-4 is still amazing. Like many of you I pray we keep a good number of F-4s available for air shows, displays and memorials to all the American heroes who flew them. I am also trying to find a photo that I think was on the cover of Parade magazine one Sunday, probably 40 years ago. It was a front view of an F-4 and the tarmac was literally covered with a well laid out spread of all the weapons and attachments that could be carried by the aircraft. It was an incredible display that would have dwarfed a Ted Nugent garage sale. Regards to all and God bless every American veteran.
Posted by Scott Blalock on December 11,2008 | 01:40PM
Forty two years later I still remember going up the ladder at Davis Monthan and strapping in for my first ride in that magnificant bird. I knew I'd 'found a home.' In December of '66 I stopped a SAM about 5 miles north of Hanoi. I took a direct hit that blew the airplane completely in two behind the trailing edge of the wing. When I got out and got a chute she was immediately below me in a flat spin going down and shedding parts. She was a tough old bird and I know if I'd been riding in anything else that day I wouldn't be writting this story. Phantoms Forever. Happy Trails, Bud Flesher
Posted by Bud Flesher on December 11,2008 | 07:50PM
Well written article and appreciate more words about the F-4 of old than on the "above and beyond" missions they go on now. I've got 2.5K hours as a Marine Radar Intercept Officer (not "operator," as written) so my F-4 stick-time is limited to the 20 hr I have in the Collings Foundation F-4D. I can say with certainty that the F-4D with full internal fuel and full wing tanks does not need full aft stick to take off! On my first rear cockpit take-off, with a lot less than full aft stick deflection, the nose came up and continued to rise rather quickly and I can still hear BG Steve Ritchie "encouraging" me to get the nose down! On a carrier launch, full aft stick would get you from horizontal to near vertical in a blink, particularly during light-weight carrier quals. Also, true there wasn't much G available at mach 2 but to get that speed, we flew at 50K feet where mach 2 was only a few hundred knots indicated airspeed so not many "Bernoullis" up there with which to maneuver...and at mach 2 who wants to maneuver and bleed all that hard earned airspeed?
Posted by Bill (B-Bop) Bowers on December 11,2008 | 09:45PM
Towards the end of Vietnam I was stationed at NAS Miramar, assigned to a Composite Squadron of F-8 Crusaders and A-4 Skyhawks. There were still a few F-8 squadrons there, but, everything else was F-4 Phantoms. 100s of 'em. To me they were never ugly, in fact, to this day I think they are incredibly cool with their upturned wingtips and downturned elevons (I hope thats correct terminology!) But what I liked the most about them was that eerie 'howl' they would make as they approached... even when taxiing. I'd be in the fuel pits with my birds and the F-4s would roll by and they'd just put the fear of God in you... and they were on MY side! Just imagine how the enemy felt! They will forever be one of my all time favorite birds. They were just big, bad and awesome!
Posted by AT3 Cord 'Cam' Cameron, USN 1970-74 VC-7 on December 13,2008 | 02:38PM
I was ships company AIMD,ADJ-5,on the Connie, 1968-1972. Loved the J-79-8 in the F4's and the A-5 vig's had the J79-10. I remember the 4's coming back with small arms damage and still landing on the deck in one piece, it is one tough plane. Most pilots didn't even know they'd taken a hit or two. Take a piece of welding wire thru the bullet hole to see where it went if it didn't hit anything on it's way out the holes were patched, and back on the deck. At the time we only had J and B mod's of them. Swap out the bomb racks for a couple of 20mm cannons made them look mean. Saddans my heart when I see one used of target practice. Great war bird.
Posted by Les Georgi on December 13,2008 | 02:49PM
So sad to see a great war bird used for target practice. First saw this bird when she was used as a Thunderbird. As one pilot said, she may not be very pretty, but she was loud. Super war bird.......
Posted by Wil Moore on December 31,2008 | 09:53PM
The Phantom F-4. Certainly missed! But every one has neglected to mention the finest airshows ever flown by the US Air Force Thunderbirds! Does anyone recall the sights and sounds of those eight J-79 afterburners operating in unison!? I do... The Thunderbirds flew their show over the Old City of San Juan, Puerto Rico (USA) for many years, using as hardware the F-100, the F-4E and T-38s. I strongly feel that the F-4E shows were the finest ever, because they did put "the fear of God" into you. The current F-16 squadron sounds like a glorified posse of high-performance vacuum cleaners. Of course the F-16 handles orders-of-magnitude better at show speeds and has superior maneuverability, but when America needed to remind friend and foe of its technological and military prowess, the F-4 was (and shall remain) simply peerless. (No wonder the Blue Angels flew Phantoms too!)
Posted by Prof. Rafael E. (Ricky) Irizarry on January 1,2009 | 07:12AM
I worked on F-4's while in the AF between '66 and '69. From MacDill to Holmstead, from McConnell to Ubon Thailand this plane was the technology of the time. Col.Robin Olds and his colleague Chapee James were Aces with the 8th Tactical Fighter Squadron there at Ubon. It is quite amazing that you can develop such an affectionate relationship with a supersonic fighter jet with a bulbous nose. We loved this aircraft, camo and all.
Posted by Archangel on January 2,2009 | 03:06AM