Legends of Vietnam: Bronco's Tale
One of the most versatile aircraft of the Vietnam War appears on the verge of a comeback.
- By William E. Burrows
- Air & Space magazine, March 2010
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“If a guy fired at us, the [pilot] would go into a steady orbit around the gun pit, and the bomb would come in,” says Whitcomb. “And the enemy realized that if they saw an OV-10 go into a standard left-hand turn”—the pilot’s maneuver to enable the backseater to designate the target—“they’d better stop shooting because they were about to get hit with a laser-guided bomb. And we used that as a defensive tactic: If they shot at you, just go into standard left-hand orbit.
“We lost some OV-10s doing that kind of stuff,” he adds.
The reluctance of the enemy to fire was sometimes frustrating to the pilots, who were prohibited by the rules of engagement from attacking certain targets in Vietnam unless the bad guys fired first. So the idea was to get them to shoot. Gordon Evans, a Marine first lieutenant in 1971, remembers flying a patrol 20 miles west of Da Nang when he spotted a group of about 10 North Vietnamese soldiers lined up on a dike. He made a close pass to get them to fire. Nothing. He went around again. “They just didn’t pay me any mind,” Evans says. “They knew what was going on. So I went around to make still another pass, real slow. My backseater got agitated and said, ‘I don’t think this is a good idea. We’re gonna get hosed.’ ” But there was still no fire from the men on the dike. “I was all of 24, bulletproof, and knew everything,” he says. “I dropped my gear and my flaps, put all the lights on in the airplane—this is daytime—and went by in a landing configuration” to make the best possible target. He finally elicited a response. “Several guys on the dike pulled down their trousers and mooned us,” Evans says.
In the Era of Boom and Zoom
The Bronco was developed through a process unique in military procurement history. Two Marine Corps majors, K. P. Rice and the late William H. Beckett, were neighbors in Santa Ana, California, in 1961. (“K.P.” stands for Knowlton Prentice, which is “great for a Congressman,” Rice says, but “lousy for a Marine.”) The two had been in a Corsair squadron together in 1949, and, sitting on Beckett’s patio, they would discuss the Navy and Air Force preoccupation with sleek, swept-wing fighters and exotic weapons during what Beckett called “the era of boom and zoom.” They believed that the services were ignoring conventional weapons necessary for the close air support of ground forces.
What was needed, Beckett and Rice determined, was a scrappy observation airplane that could not only find enemy combatants but also attack them on the spot. They envisioned a twin-engine turboprop that would be faster than helicopters, yet slower and more versatile than jets. And it had to be simple and easy to maintain. Furthermore—and this was revolutionary—the aircraft had to be capable of taking off and landing in so short a space that it could be stationed with battalions in combat areas, not at some far-off air base. Each battalion would in effect have its own small air force. The two would-be designers limited the wingspan to 20 feet and the distance between landing gear to six and a half feet so that the aircraft could land on and take off from roads in undeveloped areas.
“Why don’t we build one?” Rice finally asked his friend. The two men built as much of a full-scale fiberglass model as would fit in Rice’s garage (because of the space limitation, attaching the wings was out of the question), and then began trying to sell the concept to “The System,” as Rice scornfully called the 1960s decision makers in the Pentagon and the aircraft industry. Their design was met with deep skepticism, partly because, unlike other attack aircraft, it didn’t carry tons of bombs. “We don’t want to do that,” Rice and Beckett patiently explained. “We want to base it with the troops and carry infantry ordnance.” They had in mind the 106-mm recoilless rifle.
The Navy fought the project at first, Rice says, but eventually came around, and so did the Air Force. In 1963, the services began writing requirements for a Light Armed Reconnaissance Aircraft. The Navy required landing gear that would enable the aircraft to operate from rough areas, and to test that capability, built a runway that looked like a sine wave. In a 2009 video documentary (made as a thesis for a master of fine arts degree by a student at the University of North Texas), the OV-10 gamely bounces down the runway’s hills and valleys as Beckett describes the test results: “The best pickup truck could do something like 7 mph on it before it went completely out of control. The OV-10 was supposed to land and take off on that. And they could. The plane could do it, but the pilot couldn’t.” The aircraft shook so violently that the pilot’s vision blurred.
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Comments (32)
As you can see from my email address, I was a Nail FAC out of NKP in 71-72. I was one of three pilots selected for the combat evaluation of the Laser OV-10 known as Pavenail which took place at Ubon Thailand with most of the missions flown into Cambodia. If you have any questions about that Laser system (which was removed from the OV-10's before they left SEA) I can help.
Posted by John W. Van Etten on January 24,2010 | 01:26 PM
I was a crew chief on ov-1o both with 20 & 23 tass and have often wondered what ever became of my best performing plane from 23 tass I set a world record with tail# 67-14671 I managed to keep it flyin for 212.2 hours in a single month!! like I said it was the best ,and its overall 6 month average was 176 hrs /month I really loved "671"
Posted by harry J aldworth on January 24,2010 | 01:43 PM
Great plane worth bringing back. The A-10 is a superlative CAS platform, but people should consider bringing back the A-1 which has fine loiter time and played an impressive role in providing cover for SAR helicopters touching down to rescue downed air crews.
Posted by Donald A. Petkus on January 24,2010 | 11:36 PM
I have seven and a half years on the OV10 and find it to be the best plane I have ever crewed and flown. I was on them at DaNang, NKP,McDill and Shaw AFB. I was the only enlisted Air Force NCO to be back seat FCF Qualified on the OV10. I would love to see it come back. Harry R. Shank Msgt Retired.
Posted by Harry Shank on January 26,2010 | 12:04 PM
Salutations!
I'm an avid model aircraft builder and currently preparing for my next project, which is building a 1/72 YOV-10D (55395). I was wondering if anyone from membership could help with a clear closeup picture of the logo painted on the vertical stab. I can't figure out what it is. The following a link to a picture of the aircraft in question w/ logo, but to far to tell what it is to make a decal.
http://www.scaleaero.com/yov10nogs.htm
Thanks,
Alex
Posted by Alex on January 28,2010 | 11:20 PM
For more information about the Navy's only OV-10 Bronco squadron, Light Attack Squadron Four (VAL-4) go to www.backpony.org
Posted by Dave on January 29,2010 | 09:01 PM
I remember seeing USMC Broncos at airshows back in the 80s and 90s where they'd pull the nose up in a high angle and troops with parachutes would slide out the back into freefall. Pretty neat trick to see.
Posted by Chris on February 8,2010 | 02:10 PM
I too have always been fascinated by the OV-10, but I have never flown or really been around one other than static display. While I find the concept of the comeback intriguing, there is one huge issue that no one has touched on, the UAV. While the man in the loop is a valuable thing in certain situations,(UAVs actually have men in the loop too) the UAV dose much the same job as an OV-10 would be called upon to do. The only real capability that the OV-10 has over the MQ-9 Reaper for example is the cargo bay. That might be good for Spec Ops resupply, but even the Fire Scout UAV has been tested in that role. What would be the real advantage?
Posted by John on February 9,2010 | 04:25 PM
I had the honor of serving with VAL-4 Black Ponies in 1970-71 at Binh Thuy as a plane captain on OV-10's. I am proud to have served as a Pony and to have worked 0n such a great aircraft as the Bronco was. Tom Poland
Posted by Tom Poland on February 12,2010 | 11:09 PM
Mr. Van Etten,
Are you the same Mr. Van Etten that worked as a pilot for Great Lakes Chemical Corp? If so, as a college student at a talk you gave I remember seeing one of your OV-10 "Home movies" shot in SEA. Any chance of you sharing that again on YouTube or something similar?
Bill Johnson, Maj(Ret),USAFR
Posted by Bill Johnson on February 12,2010 | 12:49 AM
I had the opportunity to work on the OV-10 while assigned to the 20th TASS during my tour at DaNang AB, Vietnam in 1971. It was a tremendously versatile airplane and I enjoyed working on them as an Instrument techinican. There is some discussion about bringing the Bronco back and hopefully it will return to service. Ken Brown, MSgt, USAF Retired
Posted by Ken Brown on February 13,2010 | 11:05 PM
RQST email address for John W, Van Etten.
(Note: I wrote the recommendation letter and made
the presentation to install the laser system in
the OV-10's at Ubon).
Stephen Hubert
433 TFS
Paveway I EDITORS' REPLY: We don't give out contact information. Please send your request, along with your contact information, to editors@si.edu and we will try to forward your request to Mr. Van Etten.
Posted by Stephen Hubert on March 17,2010 | 06:19 PM
Thank you for adding my grandfather Captin Steven L. Bennett. It means alot that people will never forget what sarcrifices one must make to insure freedom in our country. I just wanted to tell you thanks.
Posted by Jake buck on March 21,2010 | 12:44 AM
I was fortunate to have served with Light Atkron Four (VAL-4), the Navy's only OV-10A squadron. Our unit was based at Binh Thuy in 4 Corps and supported both SEAL and Riverine operations throughout the Mekong Delta. Our ordinance loads consisting of Zuni rockets, 2.75" 19 shot pods and 20mm Mk. 4 gun pods proved more than sufficient to control and decimate any target encountered.
It's viability might be suspect in the high threat environments in which ops are currently being conducted, but given the other candidates being suggested and the upgrades proposed by Boeing, it would be a great choice.
It is a very forgiving aircraft and a treat to fly.
Posted by Lynn Henish on April 12,2010 | 09:24 PM
Dear Sir
I want to ask please If some one may know by official records,"did The Royal Australian Airforce pilots any of them ever have flown North American OV-10 Bronco during the Vietnam conflicts in the 1960s plus have any of them stationed briefly in The Country of Australia" Sir.?
I am a Aviation Enthisiast and The North American 0V-10 Bronco Reccon Warhorse would have to be one of my favourite aircraft since I'm studying V.T.O.L.and S.T.O.L. etc.
Posted by Jeffrey Phillip Meadowvale on May 22,2010 | 09:46 PM
Need help locating 3 0v-10 pilots who were out of Danang.
These guys were wounded on hill 55 in Oct. 1971. They were
wounded by a mortar that also killed a US Army Col. and also
wounded others. Maybe you could contact other OV-10 organizations and I can find these guys. Their code name was Lopez.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You!
Tiger (code name)
Hill 55 (1970-1971)
Posted by Phil Mac on June 5,2010 | 02:02 PM
In response to Phil Mac - You may try contacting guys from the FACNET. Smitty
Posted by Matt Smith on June 8,2010 | 03:38 PM
They stood interceptor/alert duty in Korea as late as 1980, as I recall.
Two of them next to the jets in their respective bunkers at all times.
The NORKS had a WWI/construction biplane contraption (AN-12 Colt,IIRC) that served them as an air assault platform. Their idea of that was hanging on the end of a rope and barrel rolling onto the ground from them.
Osan had it written into their ABD exercise scenarios--
The Broncos were the only thing the USAF had slow enough to track them through the mountainous approaches and kill em prior to that point.
Posted by Jorge Wall on June 11,2010 | 05:05 PM
July-October 1970, 3 Army-Lockheed YO-3As were based at Phu Bai I Corps. The YO-3A had 2nd generation NVAP, IRI, and Laser Target Designator. (see www.yo-3a.com.) We had Marine Corps officer with us evaluating the YO-3A for the Marines. The Marines had tested the LTD CONUS on the YO-3A before coming over to join us at Phu Bai. I am in personal contact with the Marine Corps officer who was T/O on the YO-3A and he said he employed the LTD often and that it was his favorite target designator over the other target designator YO-3A, the, Infrared Illuminater. We believe this is the 1st use of an LTD on a fixed wing aircraft in Vietnam. Would love to know if anyone knows of any earlier LTD applications in Vietnam prior to July-October 1970 time frame.
Of Note the Mission equipment on the YO-3A was designed and built by Electro-Optical, a division of Xerox.
Any one interested in more information can contact me through the www.yo-3a.com website. Also, see http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/stalker.html
Posted by Kurt Olney on June 22,2010 | 03:21 PM
Anyone still in contact with Hostage Rifle (Phil Smith)? We were Quonset hut mates at MMAF 1969.
I flew 46s with HMM-165 but having an OV-10 around was always nice - they were the shortest link to fixed wing air whenever we ended up in a shxt sandwich. As I recall, for a time the MMAF OV-10s were getting better KBAs than the F4s flying out of Danang.
Semper Fi, 'til I die!
Posted by Jeff Sinclair on June 28,2010 | 04:27 PM
Great bird, I served with it for 10 years off and on. The flight hour to man hour ratio and operating costs were the lowest in the Naval inventory, even in its advanced age and after two mods.
I imagine with modern mandrel type composite wing and airframe plus updates to its many mech-elec systems(60s tech)it would be the ideal low cost multi-purpose COIN platform; with even lower flight/maintenance ratios.
The LW-3B ejection seat had 0-0 capability...so the seats weren't a drawback when you were only 30 feet off of the ground with no chance of surviving a "silk only Bailout"!
Posted by Rick Barton on July 19,2010 | 04:37 PM
Hey guys, looking for any information,pictures Of my Uncle, or even his aircraft when it was whole. Captain William Allen Justice. His Bronco last 3 was either 787 or 788. Any info will be appreciated.
He was 28 and single when he died. Captain Justice(Bill) was a Covey Forward Air Controller assigned to the 20th Tactical Air Support Squadron at Da Nang. He was flying over Cambodia out of Pleiku(I believe he was actually out of NKP when he was hit) in an OV-10A. Bill Justice was hit by ground fire near Sre Mat close to the Tonle Srepok River and crashed in flames.
His Mom(my grandmother) died last month, so they are finally together. I will take her ashes to his grave and spread them there.
Posted by Dane Justice on September 15,2010 | 10:51 PM
I served with the 6251st TFW, BienHoa A.B., 1971 and 366th TFW DaNang A.B, R.V.N., 1971/2. We had the 01's and 02 Oscar Dogs, but don't recall seeing Broncos. My dad (WWII, Navy/U.S.C.G), Virgil Weatherby was an electronics engineer for North American Avation, Columbus Ohio, and worked for several years on OV-10 development. He also worked on an A2A "Hound Dog" I.R. guided missile, but not sure that was related to the Bronco. Dad passed away in 2001. I'm not so young any more, but still kick satans' butt whenever I can, serving in Gods' Army. Never quit, Huu-Baa!
Posted by Lee Weatherby on November 1,2010 | 01:29 PM
Maybe someone out there can help me.
I am looking for 2 or 3 USAF Officers with the FAC unit
LOPEZ. These officers were visiting Hill 55 {51st ARVN INF.REGT.} in Oct. of 1971. While they were there we were hit
by mortar and 122 rocket fire from Charlie Ridge. 2 or possible 3 of these guys were wounded. One was a Major all were taken to the 95th Evac. in Danang by Medevac Helicopter.
There was also a full Army Col. killed by the same round that
wounded these LOPEZ USAF officers. I was also there that day
and would like to make contact with at least one of these guys if they are still alive.Thanks for your help.
"TIGER" {call sign}
Posted by "TIGER" on November 8,2010 | 08:29 PM
I was in VMO-2 at Marble Mountain RVN in 69 and 70 when it was a dual aircraft squadron (Ah-1g and OV-10 A) I subsequently transitioned to fixed wing after the war and flew OV-10 A & D (the D was the Marine Corps NOGS - Night Observation Gun Ship - FLIR in a nose mounted pod with a laser designator slewed to the FLIR) I was the MAWTS instructor for the OV-10 in the early 1980's. It was a great bird to fly and the mission was one of the last eyeball (vs systems) missions in direct support of the Grunt on the ground. Semper Fi
Posted by Paul Pratt on September 7,2011 | 10:11 PM
I was one of the three enlist men that brought the first ov-10's to nam.We came by ship to camroon bay with Capt Carpenter.Where they was de-preserved and flown to Marble Mountain.I Worked in the metal shop.Great plane to work on. Sgt Anderson (Hostage ande')Give me a shout.SEMPER FI
Posted by Douglas k. Anderson on November 1,2011 | 06:53 PM
I liked the OV-10, I was in fuel sys. NKP. I would say it was the best all around aircraft. I worked on QU-22, And 02s.Then, went to th 56TH.
Posted by gerald love on May 7,2012 | 06:30 AM
Dane Justice, send me a note at ted.peck [at] gmail [dot] com. My dad Bob Peck was flight school classmates with your uncle. My family set a lei on Capt Justice's grave at Punchbowl today.
Posted by Ted Peck on May 28,2012 | 12:56 AM
I ran 28 recon missions with the 3rd Recon Bn, 3rd Marine Div. in Vietnams I Corps tri border area in 1969. We had Broncos provide lifesaving close air support in 16 of the missions. To all of you great OV-10 pilots that got us home...a big THANK YOU from all of us in the 6 man Recon teams that owe our lives to your bravery.
Posted by Floyd Nagler on June 16,2012 | 11:31 PM
I flew the OV-10 from 1997 to 2006. The best flying experience ever. the Philippine Air Force still has a number of the airplane. I'm still nostalgic every time I see one and every time I fly over southern Philippines where I flew most of my combat experiences against secessionists. I'm truly proud I was once a Bonco Jock!
Posted by Richard gonzaga on November 1,2012 | 10:54 PM
My Father was a crew chief for Captain Steven L. Bennett airplane in June 29th 1972. They said his service records where destroyed in a fire... so we have no proof that he was ever in Vietnam... Does anyone know how I can get proof that he was there in country. any help would be gratefully appreciated...
Posted by John Hamilton on April 13,2013 | 02:07 PM
Crew Chief on tail#666 at George AFB 1985 any one know the history on this bird it had been shot up in SEA. By the size of the holes inside looked like 23 mm. Got to fly it as well all the way to Texas, did ok after I eased up the death grip on the stick. Going up and down from breathing.
Posted by Jeffrey Counts on May 16,2013 | 09:37 PM