Ravens of Long Tieng
In the remote highlands of Laos, U.S. Air Force pilots fought a secret war.
- By Ralph Wetterhahn
- Air & Space magazine, November 1998
During the Vietnam War the air base at Long Tieng was a hub of Air America, Air commando, and Raven forard air control operations.
University of Texas-Dallas History of Aviation Collection
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On January 27, 1973, the Paris Agreement on Vietnam was signed. U.S. military involvement in North and South Vietnam ceased. The prisoners of war started coming home, but the fighting in Laos didn't stop. The last outpost defending Long Tieng fell on February 22, 1975. An impromptu evacuation was masterminded by General Heinie Aderholt, who arranged for a motley fleet of aircraft including a C-130, C-46, and Pilatus Porter. He sent a helicopter to retrieve Vang Pao. Long Tieng was mobbed by villagers trying to get out--only a lucky few would leave. It would take two more years before all Hmong resistance would collapse.
That collapse was devastating to the Hmong--tens of thousands were killed by the communists during the next 10 years, and today, the Hmong who survived are on the bottom economic rung of a profoundly impoverished country. Many Hmong fled to refugee camps in Thailand. Many of those were eventually repatriated against their will, and others disappeared into Thailand as illegal immigrants. Some of the Hmong who escaped Laos came to the United States, but only a handful of backseaters who flew with the Ravens survived. One of them, Moua Fong, lives in Orange County, California. After the fall of Laos in 1975, he travelled on foot from Long Tieng through enemy lines, then swam the Mekong and spent four years in a Thai refugee camp.
The Hmong leader, Vang Pao, escaped and lives in exile in California. He still vows to return. The surviving Ravens meet for a yearly reunion at a hotel outside Randolph Air Force Base in Texas.
Laos today is a mix of old struggles and new economic trends. At the Xieng Khouang airbase there are eight MiG-21s stationed now instead of O-1s, but neither collectives nor state factories exist. Americans, and the economic development they bring, are welcomed in many parts of the country. Getting a business license in Laos takes two weeks--no hassle, no under-the-table payoff. In spite of economic setbacks in Asia, capitalism is slowly taking hold.
Long Tieng appears to be largely cut off from the changing economy. It remains forbidden and remote, strictly off-limits, and visible only from the air. "When I flew over Long Tieng, my breath just stopped--I didn't think I'd ever get to see it," says Gayle Morrison, who is writing a book about the hasty 1975 evacuation. "The airstrip is still there"although you have to know exactly what you're looking for. You have to know the ridgeline, what side of the plane to sit on"otherwise you wouldn't have any idea. There's a small settlement there but it's hard to tell if it's a military outpost or if it's a small village. The buildings in the CIA compound are still there". Because [seeing the base] was the culmination of 10 years of oral history on Long Tieng, I could look down and pick out exactly which buildings still stood and which didn't, being pretty confident about what I was seeing."
There are two daily flights over Long Tieng. "In between, the airspace is wide open, and nobody's watching [Long Tieng]," Morrison says. The only access to the village itself is by a single road.
"Some buildings [at Long Tieng] are being used, but some buildings were destroyed long ago," says Mai Sayavongs of the Washington, D.C. Embassy of the Lao People's Democratic Republic. "It no longer exists as a military base." Today, the area around Long Tieng is at the center of a United Nations-sponsored program aimed at assisting the Hmong to grow crops besides opium, Sayavongs says.
"[Information about Long Tieng] was forbidden so long to the international press, the U.S. [citizens] didn't know about it, Congress only sort of had a clue, it was denied in every possible way by the U.S. side," Morrison says, "And now there's not a war going on, but [Long Tieng] is still continuing in a weird and strange way." More than 20 years after the last American left, the former mountain stronghold of Vang Pao and the Hmong has lost none of its mystery.
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Comments (27)
A tribute to the bravest pilots in the world that faced all odds with courage. Their plight should not be so secret.Decorations and acknowlegement of their sacrifices and bravery needs to be addressed.
Posted by Dean Mason on December 20,2008 | 04:53 PM
I have to disagree with the date of the fall of the last outpost defending Long Tieng.
I flew the last C-46 evacuation flight out of there on 14 May 1975. It had not yet fallen! We were not seriously threatened by enemy forces, just overwhelmed by the refugees making a cancellation of the air evacution in the overall best interest of all concerned.
Posted by Les Strouse on January 6,2009 | 08:22 AM
Les Strouse: How hectic was the evacuation of the Hmong out of Long Tieng? -- Noah
Posted by noah on February 25,2009 | 03:19 PM
To all Ravens and Officials that were involved:
The "Secret War" is not so secret anymore. I know that many suffered from the devastation and horror of what happen during the war. All Americans should embrace all those who has been a part of the "Secret War" but we all know because of politics and many red tapes that has bandage our mouths shut.
I want to make a tribute to all those who has served and died including the refugees during the conflict. United States ceased to acknowledge the "Secret War" 's existance but many has suffered. How much suffering should there be.
Many have died and those who are still alive are still not given proper acknowledgement of what has been done. The Ravens and many other soldiers served this nation and there should be national recognition for this.
Many refugees died during the flight to other states and eventually other nations. I am one of the many refugees that have made it here to the United States.
Thanks to all that have given their life to the cause which they were not recognized for.
Posted by Shong on March 29,2009 | 08:35 PM
Did bird air flying out of the Phillipines fly supplies into Laos?
Posted by john Stallworth on December 16,2009 | 02:04 AM
I was involved with this war at the beginning of 1965 at the Bird & Sons,and then Continental Air Services in Southeast Asia.
1966 right after Vientiane was flooded I was applied my second job at the Air America, Inc one week later was accepted to be hired and designated to station in Long Tieng (LS20A) I was working in the Air Hostel Manager right corner of the head of Airbase until 1969 I returned to Vientiane.
I was enjoyed working with many Pilots and Flight Mechanics, Ravens and Airforce officials during my time in this secret location. I have many story to tell and talk to my sons that I was loving and missing so many friends in this special place on earth.
I want to thank you for all my friends and who those involved with the same boat which is I can calling " We were in the dangerous zone"
God have been save us to still alive living in the United States and have the good life freedom and liberty. Now I am in Rhode Island and many friends who worked for AAM and CASI also living in this State I am happy to know all of them and we have been visited each other and some time have lunch together (Coffee Assembly) or Coffee Politic as I would like to said.
At the best in this note I would like to extend my sincerely and appreciated to all those who have been giving their life and suffer during the "Secret War"
and help my little Kingdom for their hard time and we should be recognized by our national Leadership. Why we have been forgotten by our country this is not we call " Democracy and Liberty " is not always be true!!
Posted by Thongsavanh Phongsavan on February 9,2010 | 10:24 PM
Les Strouse: How hectic was the evacuation of the Hmong out of Long Tieng? -- Noah
It was terrible, parents often suffocated their kids to cross over to get evacuated. Ppl drowned crossing over the river to get to the refugee camps. Hmong are still being persecuted today for the siding with the americans in the secret war. The secret war is stil being fought as of today, there is a hidden footage that was made pleading from a hmong man that served the americans to help him in this video. begging the then president Nixon and the now president bush that was in office when the clip was made, there are other parts to this clip if you like to watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBnX_z6X7Ns&feature=related
and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2IaN1N2yw&feature=related
the hmongs stil feel betrayed even from the ravens that they were forgotten
it is the ones that made it here to america are the ones are keeping the Hmong secret war alive...reminding us here and the Americans of what they have left and for them to do something about it. WHY WON'T THE U.S NEGOITATE A TREATY WITH LAOS TO STOP PERSECUTING THE HMONGS?
Posted by Xiong Vang on April 22,2010 | 01:31 PM
Does anyone have any information on a F-4 that crashed on takeoff and a maintenance crew from 432 Field Maintenance Sq.Udorn Thailand came in to recover? This is in referance to a VA claim that needs to be filed.
Russell Olewinski
Commander Post 473
Cabool,Missouri
Posted by Russell Olewinski on July 20,2010 | 05:49 PM
Thank you for doing a story on a much lesser known group of pilots that flew in the Vietnam war! My uncle, Col. Tom Shera USAF (Ret)was a Raven though he never talked about his time with them. It wasn't until 1987 when the book "The Ravens" came out that we knew what he did.
Ravens were the cream of the crop in Air Force pilots and their flying was legendary! They also had around a 50% mortality rate which meant half of the men who flew with the Ravens, wouldn't make it home.
If you get the chance, read the book "The Tavens" by author Christopher Robbins as it's a fantastic read!
Posted by Brian Shera on September 4,2010 | 10:18 PM
In loving Memory of Raven 30, Major Wayne T Abbey.
He flew out of Savankut in southern Laos around 1971, I think.
Posted by Rich Abbey on October 12,2010 | 03:30 PM
During my tour in Turkey I had the oustanding opporunity to work for a former Raven. Prior to that, as Superintendant of 22 AF my boss was a former Raven. When the book came out both are mentioned. One of them signed it for me. I will never forget these two fine officers. Col Gimbel and LtCol Dang
Posted by Johnnie D. Wilson,SMSgt Retired on November 2,2010 | 01:37 PM
all your raven story touch my heart because i am one of those family who's lived in Long cheng (long tieng) is my home town .....
Posted by Tong Herrison on November 7,2010 | 10:26 PM
how come there is no account of lee lu he was a pretty badass pilot.
Posted by Vang on November 8,2010 | 01:39 PM
It was my honor to serve as one of the ground support crew for the Ravens at Luang Prabang. One of my duties was debriefing the Lao T-28 pilots after they flew their strikes. Another was debriefing the Ravens.
I lived quite literally at elbows' lengths with these heros. They behaved as though they did not seem to be in much danger, and so I did not realize just how hazardous their missions were until I was safely home.
The Ravens suffered about an 18% mortality rate, and a 50% casualty rate overall. The RLAF pilots' loss rate was even more horrendous; I would estimate 80% of them were killed in action, but no one really knows because no one kept track.
I would like to end this post with a solemn note of remembrance for those I saw fall while I was there:
Colonel Joseph Chestnut: KIA 13 October 1970
Sub-Lieutenant Liao: MIA over the Chinese Road (Route 46) in March 1970
Lieutenant Phouma: KIA in a midair collision in early 1971
My service with the Ravens was not just the highlight of a decade of military service, but the defining point of my life. I was offered a rare chance to live a "Boy's Own Life" adventure, beside some very incredible men. God bless them.
Posted by George J. Dorner on December 12,2010 | 01:39 AM
Memorium:
Raven John Davidson, of Springfield, Ohio, died Dec. 28, 2010 of cancer, in Encino, California.
He never talked much about what he did there, but I know he "enjoyed" the effort.
Posted by Brian Peterson on January 21,2011 | 10:13 AM
I too agree with Les Strouse. I was at the Long Tien, Lima site 20 on May 14, 1975 and watching my Hmong forcing and making their ways into the C-130 that morning. As I recall, there were only two flights from Thailand and it was stopped because there were too many leaders tried to make their ways for their family members go first and made others got mad. The situation was hard for the pilots to handle. Former Laotian General Vang Pao flew by helicopter on the soutside of the Long Tien, where the king place located directly to Thailand that early afternoon. After we heard that the general flew to Thailand then, we all took taxies back to Phaket, Banxon, Nasou Lima Site 272, toward Vientiane. The Vietcong and Pathet Lao troops arrived in Long Tien on May 16, 1976. When I arrived in Nasou, there were hundred of communist troops down there.
Below information press release about Hmong refugees.
http://www.tragicmountains.org/id2.html
Posted by Lin Ling on January 21,2011 | 12:52 AM
I am a Vietnamese who grew up in Laos. On behalf of my family and all the people in Laos I would like to extend our appreciation to the Ravens, the CIA, Air America, the military and undercover people who served in Laos. It was difficult duty in a good cause and we are grateful that you made the effort. My mother, my twelve siblings and I all got out safely - we were among the lucky ones. I have been living in the US since 1975, and have been a citizen since 1987. I am grateful for the freedom and liberty that I never would have had without your efforts. As I grow older I am ever more appreciative of the service that you all performed in Laos and of the freedom that I enjoy today. I have not been back to Laos since that time, and America is now my home. May God be with you and your families, and God bless America.
Posted by Lisa Nguyen Condry on April 21,2011 | 06:06 PM
Russell Olewinski
Commander Post 473
Cabool,Missouri
Are you referring to the F-4 that augered in April 1970 and clobbered the AFTN Radio station and barracks at Udorn?
Posted by Alex Graham on January 16,2012 | 01:57 PM
I'm looking for a former Air America Pilot I flew with, Capt. Gayle Gardner. I'd just like to touch base. Lee
PS/Last time I saw him was with DHL Air Frieght HNL @1982. EDITORS' REPLY: If anyone has Capt. Gardner's contact information, please email it to us at editors [at] si.edu and we'll send it on to the commenter.
Posted by Capt. Lee L. Gottwald on January 17,2012 | 11:32 AM
I'm looking for a former Air America Pilot I flew with, Capt. Gayle Gardner. I'd just like to touch base. Lee
PS/Last time I saw him was with DHL Air Frieght HNL @1982
Posted by Capt. Lee L. Gottwald on January 17,2012 | 11:33 AM
My father just passed away last month: SMSGT Clyde Howard, to my understanding, was one the Air Commandos(CCT - Combat Control Team) members on the ground helping the CIA and Ravens during the conflict. My dad is in the CCT (Combat Control Team) - Hall of Fame and the ACA (Air Commando Accociation) - Hall of Fame and served 4 tours. If anyone knows anything about the "Butterfies" or books please let me know. I am very curious about them. Not much on them out there.
Thank You and God Bless all who served...
Tommy Howard
howard_tommy@att.net
(Also reach me on Facebook)
Posted by Tommy Howard on February 1,2012 | 07:25 AM
is it still so secretive that a movie about the war in Laos cannot be made? i think this would make a great movie, the biggest part of the war was here, Long Tieng was busier then O'Hare international, and dropped more bombs then in WW2! with the best Gorilla fighters ever! the Hmongs! I think it's way over due to show the world these heroes, everybody that was front line here. the Ravens that volunteer to fight the real fight, the Hmongs that ran ground support/T-28's and recover down US pilots, the bombers, CIA's etc...without this effort the U.S./S.Vietnamese deaths would've tripled.
Posted by Jason A Yang on April 29,2012 | 12:13 AM
I accompanied Admiral Tom Moorer on our flight into Long Cheng in 1971 where we visited General Vang Pao. Not being an aviator, I was especially interested in the circling of a mountain amidst the area in which the General had his Hmong community. As I recall, it was a single engine a/c with a fabric body. Our doctor who accompanied us asked me what the patches were and I told him they covered bullet holes. Then he asked what those holes in the fabric were. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs smiled and replied, "Those will be repaired when we get back to where we came from. We arrived around 0930 where Vang Pao awaited us as well as several young Hmong girls awaited us. As we walked along the line, the girls tied strings on our wrists. Once in the headquarters, we were served rice sized cups filled with what we didn't know. It was good. I asked a CIA agent sitting next to me what it was called. "Chevis Regal", he replied. The general did his own briefing and then took questions. He was all smiles and during our brief visit answered any question he was asked. He and I were the same age. I didn't know he'd passed away this past January. His love for the Hmong people was obvious as we moved among them and their adoration of him was a given.
Can anyone help me on the iding my brief description of our a/c. Moorer and I as well as doctor were much impressed with our pilot. He made it all look easy.
Posted by John MacKercher on May 28,2012 | 05:45 PM
I forgot to mention that Vang Pao introduced us to a youthful appearing officer. The general was very proud to point out that this officer had flown more than 5000 missions. He flew a Spad and smiled as his leader did.
Posted by John MacKercher on May 28,2012 | 05:53 PM
Good account, I "visited" alt*20 as it was known many days and also stayed several nights there. It was quite a place. There was Air America on one side and a village on the other side of the runway. A Lao in a tower fired a gun to tell people to stop crossing because there were takeoffs occurring. I have many fond and scary memories from there.
Harvey USAF Ret.
21st SOS 69-72
Posted by Harvey Meltzer on April 8,2013 | 08:54 AM
Wayne T Abbey Raven Savannkut Laos...1970-71
Posted by Richard Abbey on April 10,2013 | 11:49 PM
As a US Army S/SGT with fixed wing/multi engine maint. school, single rotor helicopter maint. school and one of the 2nd group of 24 to go to the Grumman A/C factory school on the Army Mohawk at the age of 23, I was intervied by the CIA twice to go to Laos with the Ravens! I already had 3 yrs of active duty, 1 year with the WV Army Guard Aviation, recalled to active duty during the Berlin Crisis and another year of active duty in 1962! I had a pilot that got recalled to active duty with me from DC, he was a motorcycle Cop there, his name was Capt. E.E.Kitchen! His girlfriend was killed during this time before Laos and he went to Laos with the Ravens! I have often wondered if he made it back to the USA or not?
Posted by Jim Kinzer on May 23,2013 | 11:38 AM